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Don't worry, MAGA racist, you're going to be outed and dare I pray, after that, assaulted, you lying, discourse rigging MAGAT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.222.112.232 (talk) 17:08, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

May not be available till Tuesday

Deepfriedokra is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Misplaced Pages soon.

--Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 01:44, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Deepfriedakro

I blocked Deepfriedakro. If that is really your account, please let me know and I'll immediately lift the block (and, hopefully, autoblock). --Yamla (talk) 10:16, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Yamla: THANKS. I guess I should feel honored the LTA's are now imitating me. I have no alt accounts and will not have any. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 15:29, 6 June 2020 (UTC) @Yamla: Can we get this one globally locked like the other one? --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 15:35, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Lowestoft

I saw that you blocked Jedijumpingjack. Do you have any concerns about Spudpants123, the other contributor? I imposed a temporary block a couple of weeks ago, but that was for incivility rather than socking Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:37, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak: Had not looked. Going to bed. been up all night. Actually, I just declined the UTRS. T'was Yamla did the block. But spud is likely sock or meat. Likely UPE. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 12:12, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Politics

To anyone trying to use Misplaced Pages as a soapbox for their views, and who is angry at me 'cause I am either a MAGA Trump loving white supremacist or a liberal SJW ANTIFA snowflake, as evidenced by opposition to you using Misplaced Pages as such a soapbox.. The fact that I've been accused of both is a pretty good indicator that I do a good job separating my personal politics from Misplaced Pages. I'm afraid your anger has more to do with your own political extremism than with my personal politics. I will thank you to keep your shrillness to yourself. Thanks, --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 04:38, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

INLAND RAIL

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Hi Deepfriedokra,

I have been extremely surprised why you would use totally false excuses to remove the content of the Australian Inland Rail page information I had provided. Your excuses have absolutely nothing to do with your removal of my edit. In fact your false excuses are why all of my information should remain and be reinstated in the original Misplaced Pages page. Your comments are followed by the facts in bold as follows:- Hello, Concerned InlandRail. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Inland Rail, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). (***Not relevant and a false excuse, as I do not have an external relationship with the people, places or things.) Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. (***Not relevant and a false excuse, as there is no conflict of interest.) We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors; ((***Not relevant and a false excuse, as I have not done this); propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the request edit template) (***Not relevant and a false excuse, as I have not changed any person's affected articles) ; disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI) (***Not relevant and a false excuse, as I have no conflict of interest); avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:Spam) (*** Not relevant and a false excuse, as I have not linked my organisation's website, but I note that you have linked Inland Rail's website indicating a conflict of interest and a lack of neutrality of the Misplaced Pages article); do your best to comply with Misplaced Pages's content policies (*** Not relevant and a false excuse, as I have complied with Misplaced Pages's content policies but with your changes YOU have ensured that all information and references are sourced from Inland Rail and its associates and is therefore directly in breach of Misplaced Pages's policy to be neutral and have no conflict of interest); In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Misplaced Pages:Paid-contribution disclosure.(***Not relevant and a false excuse, as all of my work is voluntary and I will receive no compensation for any of my work)

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. (***Not relevant and a false excuse, as there is no editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising or promoting anyone or anything). NOW, because all of your reasons as cut and pasted are not relevant and are false, could you please tell me WHY you have really edited the articles (who complained and what was the basis of their complaint)? You need to reinstate my changes (which were expert information) as your Misplaced Pages page is now well out of date and based wholly on information from Inland Rail and associates which is not neutral or without conflict of interest. If you cannot do this, please have your supervisor at Misplaced Pages contact me so this can be discussed. Thank you. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 09:15, 11 June 2020 (UTC) Concerned InlandRail (talk) 15:21, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I've left them a note - this appears to be a classic activism-only account. To Concerned InlandRail, your edits are obviously intended to promote a particular point of view, and are clearly problematic. A neutral presentation would have referenced published material on opposition to the project, without inserting commentary or criticism in the encyclopedia's voice, and a neutral editor would not have leaped to the conclusions and argument you have presented above. And we don't have supervisors. Acroterion (talk) 15:41, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@Acroterion: Yeah all poorly sourced negative content from someone who gives the appearance of being on a mission. Sad. @Concerned InlandRail: Feel free to raise the matter at the noticeboard of your choice. I will be away for some time and unable to respond, as I have outside obligations. but don't let that stop you.. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 16:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

PS If one looks closely, one sees I removed the promocruft sourced to the company and other connected sources. @Concerned InlandRail: as this indirectly concerns living persons, WP:BLP probably apples. You should probably gain consensus before adding back material that I removed and challenged as poorly sourced negative material. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein)

@Concerned InlandRail: Did you even look at the current version? Please feel free to remove any content remaining that cites the company or other connected sources. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 16:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Y'know, this sort of post shows I'm doing a good job. Last week I was a Trump loving white supremacist. I've also been a Libtard-- and worst. Generally, the degree of vehemence is more a measure of the poster than of me. Cheers, stay safe, and for God's sake wear a mask in public. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 16:28, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Couldn't remember what prompted me to look at that. I renamed User:Mgreenwo3030 --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 03:42, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks...

... for copying my comment from a closed UTRS appeal to the open one, so that the editor could see it. I have little experience of UTRS, and didn't fully understand how to do things, but I think I've got the hang of it now. (Though of course if I still haven't then please correct me.) JBW (talk) 20:35, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@JBW:. Hope it was OK. I'm so groping with this. If memory serves, it was germane to the message I left. You are one of the best spoken of our colleagues. For all the good it does(?), I want people to understand how to fix problems. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 23:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

My internal censor is down

and I've been dealing with some strange things, so I'll just leave this here. Dumb asses gonna dumb ass. There. I fell better already. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 09:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

You're always welcome to swear at me. Just replace the editor(s) at issue's name(s) with "Levivich" and then let it all out. Levivich  16:20, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Never. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 18:01, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

More on UTRS

I've just declined appeal 30957. You had suggested removing UTRS access till October, and I agree. How do we do that? Is it a question of emailing the tool admins? If you know how to do it, you may like to go ahead. JBW (talk) 20:35, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@JBW:Regrettably, banning is not available. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 20:20, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Response to question about relationship with Ioannis Antypas

Hi Deepfriedokre,

Hope you are well!

I am in no way personally or professionally linked to Ioannis. I am researching the Antypas families greek heritage and Ioannis is the great-grandson of a well known historical greek business figure. See https://en.wikipedia.org/Marinos_Antypas

I have not finished writing the article and I apologise for the review requests, I'm not sure how to edit and save progress to submit for review later once complete. I have only have found the publish button to work to save progress so far. I am new to Misplaced Pages!

Apologies!

Best,

Ross — Preceding unsigned comment added by NashPR (talk • contribs)

UTRS 30915

Hi. At the risk of sounding rather ignorant, I've never spent any time on these pages before but I can't see that anyone is responsible for closing this appeal. Given that the appellant is now strongly insinuating that admins have been attempting to hack his e-mail, it really is time to settle this one way or another. Deb (talk) 07:07, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Deb: How delightful. I'll have a lok. Unfortunately, the "ban" feature is not working. Which is what it sounds like needing. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 07:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Ergh, has he been emailing you? Deb (talk) 18:01, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

No. The posts on the latest appeal are enough. I have recused. Which set him off again. Pasted all my comments to his talk for transparency. Asked HickoryOughtShirt?4 ‎ to give it a fresh look. Banning is broken. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 18:07, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Deb: We've all made greater efforts than with most to inform, coach, allay-- and he just keeps escalating. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 18:09, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I declined 30915. 31268 is up --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 18:11, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

It's got to be trolling. No one could be that shameless... could they? 18:13, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe it's COVID-19. My judgment was affected for months. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 18:15, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I've never accepted/rejected an appeal using this interface so I thought when I hit decline it would allow me to type a comment. I have a lenghtly comment coming but I agree with all of your assessments. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 19:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Ack. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 19:32, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Gah. Can't get it back. Drat. You can post to their talk page. They like transparency. Thanks for looking. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 19:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Facepalm Sorry, I'll do that. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 19:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

The response choices are at the bottom. Don't worry. They'll post a follow-up. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 19:38, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@HickoryOughtShirt?4: Yeah, tell ' em you're posting to their talk for transparency. Sorry to drag you in, but I wanted someone good.19:40, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Ya, no worries. Not like I had much planned today anways , we're still pretty sheltered. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 19:44, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm wondering whether this vexatious litigant ought to lose his ability to e-mail. He says on his talk page that he has e-mailed other admins (I don't know who) and his aim can only be to pester admins to try to get them to change the decision on his appeals. Or would it be better to wait until someone actually complains? Deb (talk) 08:44, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@Deb: Is he still emailing you? For goodness sake, don't reply via your email. It will make your email visible and give him a handle on your real life identity. Has not as yet emailed me. If he is harassing you, someone fresh should decide about removing his email account.. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 08:50, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm not that stupid. It's just that, in one of his appeals, he said he was e-mailing "other administrators". He has already made a veiled accusation that "someone" from Misplaced Pages is trying to hack his e-mails, and others may not know the background and may in all innocence respond. Deb (talk) 08:54, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

PS. I reply on their talk pages. He wants transparency? He needs to stop emailing people. If threatening in any way, you could forward to arbcom. He needs to appeal via UTRS. If still on his WP:ADMINACCT kick, he needs to email arbcom. You could tell him all of this on his talk. If he thinks we're trying to hack his email, he shoud contact ArbCom. In fact @Bradv:, a moment of your time? --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 08:56, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, me too. I just don't want anyone else to fall into the trap. Is there any way we can track his e-mail activity within the project? If he's stopped doing it, it's not a problem. Deb (talk) 10:19, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@Deb: I suppose WMF could, but that's power I do not want. I can't imagine any admin not going to the user's talk page first if they received such an email. That (hacking) would be the sort of ADMINACCT issue that would have to go to the Arb's. TBH, his behavior is bizarre enough that doubt anyone would see him as credible. And what would be the point? What possible use would it be? Sad really. He's gone off the deep end like this with prior edit warring/NPA blocks, but now he's gone to an extreme. I don't know. Never had anyone like this before. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 10:36, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Okay, fingers crossed. I won't try to escalate it unless he comes back with another appeal. Deb (talk) 10:49, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Just a note that I've seen this, including the 4 appeals on UTRS. Ideally we would restore talk page access so they can file a proper unblock request onwiki, but as long as they continue to focus on their perceived issues with other people's behaviour rather than their own, there's no point. – bradv🍁 15:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Teachable moments

I returned to Talk:Derek Chauvin today, after an absence of a week or so, and found edits I made had been hidden.

The log shows you and David Eppstein hid three separate revisions, between you. Your edit summaries said "Serious BLP violations", and David Eppstein's edit summary also included this phrase.

Can you confirm you hid edits I made?

Did you hide edits I made because you thought they lapsed from BLPNAME?

I have questions about applying BLPNAME to a certain individual, who I won't name here. I think you know who I mean.

BLPNAME protects individuals from having their name published if their name has not been widely disseminated. I think a simple google search on that individual's name shows the name is highly disseminated.

The individual in question has started the steps to officially change their name. I suggest that it is their new name that should be protected. I fully support applying BLPNAME to their new name, which does meet the "not widely disseminated" criteria.

I have an essay User:Geo Swan/opinions/Teachable moments. The gist is I think good faith contributors should be able to ask good faith questions, and the project works best if good faith questions get good faith answers, even if the answer seems "obvious" to the person to whom the question is posed.

So, was the "serious BLP violation" that justified the revision hiding BLPNAME? If so how widely disseminated can a name be, and still measure up to the "not widely disseminated" criteria?

Really, shouldn't it be this individual's new name that merits BLPNAME protection?

If the justification for hiding those edits was not BLPNAME could you please be more specific over your concern? Geo Swan (talk) 14:07, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@Geo Swan: Yes. There was some discussion on the talk page about that, though I did not follow it afterward. Obviously we disagree over the merits of putting that information on Misplaced Pages. I tend to err on the side of removing BLP content that looks iffy, especially after my encounters with the representatives of certain subjects. (hi y'all, if you still watch my talk page.) I suppose the best course would, if you wish the revdel reversed would be to post at WP:AN or WP:BLPN. You can post your reasons there. As I recall, at least one user was blocked over trying to include that information, so revdel seemed reasonable. Certainly, if the consensus in that discussion was to include the challenged content than it can be unrevdel'd. This is like the middle of the night for me right now due to the demands of my job, so I may be asleep or at work for long peridos for he next 24 hours and might not respond quickly. Oh, here's a thought--@EEng: have you any thoughts? Maybe I should repost my section about that BLP stuff. God willing I'll go back to sleep now. Thanks, --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 15:19, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

PS I kno we set great stock in not walking on each other's toes. Any admin should feel free to restore the revdel edits if they see fit. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 15:32, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

The "not widely disseminated" proviso reads in full has not been widely disseminated or has been intentionally concealed, and the latter controls even if the concealment has failed to some extent. And BTW there's some indication the new name may be one of the prior names. Including anything about this anywhere on the project has no value to our readers whatsoever; if ever there was a case of some people (including children) who are utterly innocent yet in danger of being swallowed up by something completely beyond their control, this is it, and we should not be contributing to that possibility in any way.The less said about this the better. There's now an edit filter to prevent this material being restored, and obviously the revdels should remain. Do not raise this at AN or ANI, which are very highly trafficked and would draw more attention to no purpose -- or anywhere else for that matter. Multiple admins have been involved in this, and there's universal agreement. Drop it, GS. EEng 16:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@Geo Swan and David Eppstein: This little bit of unpleasntness only heightens my concern for Misplaced Pages not revealing information about people that can get them doxxed. I think your efforts would be better directed toward seeking consensus to get that information included. As I have said more than once, I will err on the side of caution if I am to err. And without getting into WP:BEANS territory for my many off Wiki admirers, I am willing to die on this hill . (Hi, y'all. See my user page please. User:Deepfriedokra#MAGA ANTIFA snowflake white supremacist) --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 20:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)