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Your GA nomination of Nástup

The article Nástup you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Nástup for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Most Comfortable Chair -- The Most Comfortable Chair (talk) 11:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Pelagianism

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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for all the work you do, from incredibly (and likely incredibly difficult) content writing, to great (source and other) reviews, to well-thought out opinions in AFDs and other forums. Your work really makes Misplaced Pages a better place. Keep it up! Eddie891 Work 02:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you! :) (t · c) buidhe 03:22, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

British Empire Feature Article Review

I have nominated British Empire for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Quality posts here (talk) 20:19, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Verfassungsblog

On 25 October 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Verfassungsblog, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a law blog has been cited by the supreme courts of Poland and of Germany? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Verfassungsblog. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Verfassungsblog), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

A suggestion

Hi, Buidhe. Good work on Post-conflict reception of war criminals. I noticed more than half the lead is about the former Yugoslavia and consider this WP:UNDUE. Think you could expand it to include some of the other areas covered in the article? Also, I feel the US sub-heading could include a mention of William Calley and the Mỹ Lai massacre. That would be all from me. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 01:14, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Discussion closer

I understand there is a "requested move" option in DC? In any case, your close at Talk:RSN Racing & Sport#Requested move 18 October 2020 used an incorrect format, so the bot listed it as a malformed request. It's been fixed, so this is just an fyi. P.I. Ellsworth  ed.  01:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Clarification for source

Hello, I noticed that some information about this song was removed by you because the claim is based on a dubious source. Is Musicnotes the source you were referring to? Was the vocal range claim removed because of what this page says about using sheet music sources? Thanks. ThedancingMOONpolice (talk) 02:23, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

ThedancingMOONpolice, Concerns were raised about the reliability of the source for that particular claim on the Reliable sources noticeboard. In addition to being a surprising claim that needs a strong source, the exact vocal range of a song is the kind of trivia that we wouldn't ordinarily include unless sources emphasize it. (t · c) buidhe 02:25, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations from the Military History Project

		The Military history A-Class medal
		On behalf of the Military History Project, I am proud to present the A-Class medal for Siegfried Lederer's escape from Auschwitz, Partisan Congress riots and The Holocaust in Slovakia. Hawkeye7 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 22:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Christian views on lying

On 27 October 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Christian views on lying, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Saint Augustine believed that lying is un-Christian even when done to save a life? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Christian views on lying. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Christian views on lying), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Move of n-Butanol

I don't believe you are interpreting the requested move discussion correctly. Use of the lowercase forms like "1-butanol" were used by IJBall and myself because that is proper sentence case; however the page titles need to have the first word capitalized per normal Misplaced Pages naming conventions. Look at the articles for the related alcohols 1-propanol and 1-pentanol that were mentioned in my move proposal and you will see these pages have titles with the capitalized form, as 1-butanol should also be. Myself and Wostr commented after the move discussion that this move was in error. Generally when someone uses "Support" in bold font it means they support the proposal as indicated; even if IJBall intended to mean the lowercase version, that was not sufficient to conclude consensus for this alternative. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

• Mdewman6: After checking Google Scholar, I can indeed see that the chemistry convention is to write uppercase at the beginning of the sentence and lowercase otherwise. Perhaps write it down somewhere as a WP:CHEMISTRY style guide? Just a suggestion, (t · c) buidhe 19:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

The capitalization convention with respect to compound names with prefixes is already noted at Misplaced Pages:Naming_conventions_(chemistry)#Capitalization_of_elements_and_compounds, which I agree could be summarized at the Chemistry MOS, but I don't think that would have prevented this misunderstanding. To look at a move discussion with only two comments, both in support, and conclude that there is consensus to move the page to a name different from the one originally proposed is quite presumptuous! A discussion closer ought to be very sure such a conclusion is correct and question their assumptions, otherwise they should exercise caution and consider leaving the discussion open for an admin or a user more familiar with the subject matter to close the discussion, consistent with WP:RMCI. Normally a vote to move to a page other than that originally proposed would be articulated more clearly. Only one of the commenting users specifically used the lowercase version, which by the way is not the official IUPAC name (which is butan-1-ol, which fails WP:COMMONNAME), and as has already been made clear, this was not intended to mean the page name should be lowercase. As a page mover you are supposed to exercise the discretion entrusted in you and demonstrate a better-than-average understanding of naming conventions policy. Nevertheless, I understand the numeric prefix is a potential source of confusion and that this was likely a simple mistake. Believing this was a simple mistake, a user not involved in the discussion attempted to point this out to you on the talk page, and after not hearing from you for about a day I took this to technical requests. What I don't understand is how after being confronted with two users challenging your understanding of the discussion, one of whom was not involved in the original discussion, you still asserted you were correct by contesting the request without further investigation, even as (unknowingly) another page mover saw no problem with the technical request and was performing the correct move. Why did you not first take a closer look at the requested move and see the other alcohol articles I linked in the original proposal have capitalized titles, or notice that the original page name, n-butanol, also had the "B" capitalized? Why didn't you discuss your point of view on the talk page after being pinged the first time? My point in all this is that mistakes and misunderstandings happen, and I appreciate your efforts, but your actions in this case turned what could have been a simple misunderstanding into an unnecessarily larger mess involving numerous page move actions and other editors. For someone with page mover rights, I urge you to exercise more discretion and caution with closing move discussions in the future. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves

		The WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves
		It is with genuine pleasure that I award you the Military History Project's WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves for having met the requirement to have "made contributions of truly incredible quality or importance in the area of military history." The Project, corporately, notes that you have produced four FAs and an FL of impeccable quality, focusing on the difficult topic of the Holocaust and the persecution of Jews. And 42 GAs with a broader range but the same central theme. In addition you have somehow found time to be the Project's premier source and image reviewer. The Project members' throughput of A class and Featured articles would be much the worse without your work. We salute you. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:22, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

It may interest you to know that this is the first time in over four years that the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves have been awarded. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:22, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

• I'm honored! (t · c) buidhe 04:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

My error in archiving

Hi Buidhe! The wrong URL was my fault, not vandalism. See the archived URL at archive.today. Archive.today is quite clever - I just didn't think and check the results carefully enough. Feel free to double-check if I've fixed the error correctly (in both articles). Boud (talk)

• I'm sorry, I assumed that some vandal had sneakily changed the URL to the wrong one. Glad it's fixed (t · c) buidhe 04:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
  • No problem :). By the way, seeing your editing interests above, if you know or can get good quality Polish translations, you might want to follow the sources in the Ukrainian section of Przemysław Czarnek - the Minister of the about-to-be-merged Ministry of Research and Higher Education (research + universities) and Ministry of National Education (schools) - and decide if the sources justify a comment on Czarnek's views in relation to anti-semitism. I'm unlikely to touch that, because the interpretations of what is anti-semitism versus what is a criticism of Israel as a state and what the allusions are in a statement are issues that I didn't find clear enough in the sources. (I can guess likely interpretations, knowing the context, but my guesses here are irrelevant for Misplaced Pages content.) If the current women's revolution in PL fails, Czarnek will presumably try to revise the Polish school curriculum and Polish university faculties in line with his view on what would constitute improvements. Better that en.Misplaced Pages readers have reliably sourced info on what his views and past actions are. Boud (talk) 07:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! I have expanded the article somewhat. (t · c) buidhe 08:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for August 2020 LGBT protests in Poland

On 30 October 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article August 2020 LGBT protests in Poland, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that 47 people, including bystanders and an amateur reporter, were arrested in Warsaw at a protest against the detention of LGBT activist Margot in August 2020? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, August 2020 LGBT protests in Poland), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Second opinion for Rafał Gaweł

Do you think he is notable? I am a bit concerned re WP:BLP this could be non-neutral. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Kresy myth moved to draftspace

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2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict

Dear Buidhe, in this editing you removed most of the photos, particularly, the photographs and video of the use of cluster munitions; Israeli and Turkish made military equipment and others, which is very important as evidence in this conflict.

Please, next time try to discuss on the talk page before removing. Sincerely, Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 16:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Profaning a monument

On 31 October 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Profaning a monument, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in Poland, hanging a rainbow flag on a statue may be a crime? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Profaning a monument), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Pelagianism

On 3 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pelagianism, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Augustine's views of Christian theology were developed in opposition to Pelagianism, which he declared a heresy? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pelagianism. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Pelagianism), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Oddity

Hello B. This edit seems to have deleted Bonadea's reply to another editor. The weird thing is Bonadea's post seems to have removed the Quartz thread. Even weirder is that the two threads aren't next to each other on the board. I can't untangle what went on and, as I'm headed to sleep, I wanted to let you know what I found in hopes that you can figure it out. I know you are both good editors and I just didn't want there to be a misunderstanding. Apologies if this causes any problems. MarnetteD|Talk 10:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Wojciech Sadurski

On 7 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Wojciech Sadurski, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that hundreds of academics signed a letter opposing the "coordinated harassment campaign by the Polish ruling party" against law professor Wojciech Sadurski? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wojciech Sadurski. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Wojciech Sadurski), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for The Thirty-Year Genocide

On 7 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Thirty-Year Genocide, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a 2019 book argues that the Armenian Genocide was part of a larger genocide which targeted all of the Christian minorities in the Ottoman Empire? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Thirty-Year Genocide. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, The Thirty-Year Genocide), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—valereee (talk) 12:02, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Jane Withers

Hi, are you returning to this page? Yoninah (talk) 22:37, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Pact of Free Cities

On 9 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pact of Free Cities, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the mayors of Prague, Bratislava, Warsaw, and Budapest signed the Pact of Free Cities in December 2019? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pact of Free Cities. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Pact of Free Cities), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Parole der Woche

On 9 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Parole der Woche, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Parole der Woche (Slogan of the Week; example pictured) has been described as "the most ubiquitous and intrusive aspect of Nazism’s visual offensive"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Parole der Woche. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Parole der Woche), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of True Pole

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A cookie for you!

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Deletion review for List of Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign staff members

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In Praise of Blood

Thought you might be interested in the author's opinion of the article about her book. (The article looks well-balanced to me, but I know nothing of the subject matter) Just passing the conversation on. Schazjmd (talk) 01:55, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Possible collaboration for 1932 German presidential election

Hello,

I've worked on 1932 German presidential election, and was wondering if you'd like to collaborate and ultimately co-nom it for FA. I realize you might have other stuff on your schedule, but this seems like something you'd be interested in. Thanks for your consideration!

– John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 04:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

• John M Wolfson Thanks for the offer, but as you guessed I'm working on other things (:. (t · c) buidhe 11:37, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Alright, take care. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:09, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Makuchowska + Pikulska

You might want to keep an eye on Mirosława Makuchowska and Katarzyna Pikulska, for notability and/or deletion issues, according to an active Wikipedian. Boud (talk) 19:53, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law

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Help if you can please

I hate to put you on the spot, I know we don't know each other well, and you probably don't think that highly of me, but I am in real need, so I am asking anyway. I put Biblical criticism up for FA review a month ago. It is its second time being nominated. I failed to complete the process the first time because I left WP suddenly, and now it is getting little response. I am putting out a call to everyone I know because the coordinator has said if it doesn't get more interest he will archive it. It needs a source review - someone willing to randomly check sources to be sure they actually say what the text says. There are too many for anyone to do alone, but doing any at all, even just one, would be deeply appreciated. Post it here. If it fails again I'm afraid that will be the end of it. Please help if you can. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:40, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Kresy myth

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Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Intermarried Jews in the Holocaust

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Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Croatia women's national junior handball team

As closer, would you be so kind as to untag the list of articles attached to the discussion? XFDcloser doesn't seem to bother looking for additionally nominated pages. Thanks. --Finngall 19:09, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

• Finngall After closing it, I checked a few of them, which did not have the banner. However, now I went through and made sure all the tags are removed. (t · c) buidhe 19:14, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Still several of these showing up at WP:BADAFD. --Finngall 17:57, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Chinese whispers/Telephone

While there is more support than opposition some of the support arguments are pretty strong (such as the sources produced by FOARP and the ATDAB arguments I made which RETAIN allows) I think at best that should have been "no consensus". Most of the support was due to RATAIN but as noted I showed how ATDAB allows this and the other main support point was that the term is offensive but it was noted that we aren't censored and "Chinese whispers" meets CRITERIA. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:01, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

• Crouch I agree that you and other oppose !voters made some good points. However, considering that it was, by my count, 2:1 in favor of the move, the support arguments would have to be really weak for the discussion to be closed as "no consensus"—the majority of !voters clearly felt that the arguments in favor were more persuasive. (t · c) buidhe 23:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to point out the obvious here, but you're essentially saying "For the discussion to be closed as no consensus the arguments in favour would have to be weak, but those arguing in favour thought their arguments were strong , so they must have been". That isn't assessing consensus, that is simply counting votes and saying that the the arguments of the side with more must be more persuasive because they have more. How else are we supposed to understand the statement that "the majority of !voters clearly felt that the arguments in favor were more persuasive"? Because they felt strongly about it they must be right? FOARP (talk) 18:15, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

• But I can't see how the support side is strong enough to close as consensus to move. Even though there was more support the arguments presented are less convincing I think "no consensus". The points made by the nominator were largely countered by FOARP's finding so I don't see any significant reasons for moving to counter the points for not moving. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:11, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

• The closing statement was woefully inadequate. An explanation is required. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:45, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
• Woefully inadequate close, and bad counting into the bargain. You are counting "support" !votes that were not actually supporting the proposed title. Revert please. FOARP (talk) 18:05, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

• I see you've updated the page with a closing statement. The statement is clearly problematic. "The majority of editors, by about 2:1, consider that the reasons to oppose the name "Chinese whispers" are more persuasive than the arguments to support it." - an RM discussion is a discussion in favour of a new title, not a discussion about how much we dislike the old one. We cannot simply add up !votes that disagree with the present title if they were instead !votes for different titles.

You state that "WP:POVNAME generally only allows POV titles if "the subject of an article is referred to mainly by a single common name, as evidenced through usage in a significant majority of English-language sources"...opposers of the move haven't shown that it is the name used "in a significant majority of English-language sources"" but this is exactly what was shown in the discussion - a significant majority of sources using the name Chinese Whispers, particularly in light of the fact that about half of the references in the corpus to "Telephone game" are not references to this particular game. If Chinese whispers is a POVNAME then "Telephone" is arguably also a POVNAME, so why doesn't the logic cut the other way? Finally, WP:POVNAME was not cited by anyone in the discussion so this is in essence not an assessment of the consensus (no-one actually said that Chinese Whispers was a POVNAME) but instead a super-vote.

Please revert and allow an admin closure. FOARP (talk) 18:56, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Multiple users actually expressed concern about the POV of the name, in slightly different words. All I am doing is quoting and applying the policy. If you thought telephone was a POV name you should have stated that in the discussion, yet that was not an argument made by any !voter. (t · c) buidhe 19:01, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

You're saying that I should have argued against a point that was not raised in the discussion. If you wished to raise WP:POVNAME you should have cast a !vote. If you are applying the policy in spite of it not being raised then why didn't you take note of the evidence that "Chinese Whispers" was 30% more common in the Google Ngrams corpus than the two proposed names together (which shouldn't be the point of comparison since they are often used to refer to completely different things) and hence had been shown to be "the name used "in a significant majority of English-language sources""? FOARP (talk) 19:16, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree the point about POVNAME isn't that relevant since indeed it wasn't included in the discussion and the point about originally being under telephone variants was counted by RATAIN and ATDAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I think you're close should take more into account the "the change reduces ambiguity" part of RETAIN and "Sometimes, this requires a change in the variety of English used; for instance, Lift is a disambiguation page with no primary topic, so we chose Elevator as the title of the article on the lifting device. since both of these favour keeping it at "Chinese whispers" even if it was first at "Telephone game" and the "Telephone (game)". "Chinese whispers" is unambiguous and clear, "Telephone (game)" requires a qualifier and "Telephone game" was also unacceptable to some people who favoured using "Telephone (game)". Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for The Holocaust and social media

On 17 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Holocaust and social media, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Rhian Sugden, Priyanka Chopra, and Pete Buttigieg have all been the subject of controversy due to social-media photographs taken at the Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe (pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Holocaust and social media. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, The Holocaust and social media), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Holocaust denial/Double genocide theory

Hi, thanks for your work at those articles. Do you think a sentence about the theory could be at Holocaust denial? It is true "the sources cited don't describe any of these as a form of Holocaust denial, full stop", but Holocaust revisionism redirects to Holocaust denial, hence why I added it in the first place, so maybe a sentence could be added to say that the double genocide theory is supported in Eastern Europe due to trivalising the Holocaust, i.e. that they "n some former Eastern Bloc countries, Holocaust deniers do not deny the very fact of mass murder of Jews, but they deny the participation of their own nationals in the Holocaust" and perhaps it could be added, "proposing an equivalence, known as the double genocide theory, to equalize Communism and Nazism", or something like that. Davide King (talk) 04:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

• Davide King The issue here is that most sources define "Holocaust deniers make one or more of the following false statements..." as stated in the lead of Holocaust denial. Obviously double genocide theory does not make any of those false statements. They aren't interested in claiming that the Holocaust didn't happen, Auschwitz wasn't a death camp, or that Hitler didn't order the murder. At most, double genocide proponents deny the role of local collaborators—"the Holocaust happened, but our guys were not involved"—but even that isn't necessarily the case. Most sources I have read clearly make a distinction between denying the role of collaborators versus denying the genocide itself. Therefore, I would say it is more appropriate to discuss in Holocaust trivialization or maybe in a full-fledged article Holocaust uniqueness debate, or perhaps Holocaust distortion (which should not redirect to Holocaust denial as it is used to mean something different). (t · c) buidhe 05:17, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Anna Hájková

On 18 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Anna Hájková, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Anna Hájková says her research into LGBT people and the Holocaust "shows a more complex, more human, and more real society beyond monsters and saints"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Anna Hájková. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Anna Hájková), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:04, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus

You need to formulate your objection to the section on the talk page. Because it is not obvious what it is. And because of the 1R rule, you should self-revert. ImTheIP (talk) 06:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)