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No trolls or incivility allowed

Please note: I must reluctantly reserve the right to remove uncivil or disruptive comments and/or threads from this talk page. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 03:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

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I forgot to say—if there's anything I can do for you, let me know. You got it :-)
Best regards, Arbo  talk 09:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Only trying to find a way to return your help, good advice and encouragement. By "anything I can do for you" I don't mean pitching in with your dispute resolution and political work. That's not my concern. I'm an editorial specialist, so if you need good word-smithing skills, votes for featured pic candidates, or whatever.
Best regards, Arbo talk 09:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Chalk it up to a busy week - and nothing more - my friend. :) -- User:RyanFreisling @ 14:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah, romanticism, classicism and poetry—(sigh) This is the flashest, fabulous-most last word in Wiki type samples. Extract of an essay by Oscar Wilde.
Kewl :-)
L8ter, Arbo talk 14:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Excellent use of typefaces... and of course I love Oscar Wilde. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 15:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I asked a question on your talk page about that unusual Iowan font family. Not sure I love it - it looks odd to my eye somehow. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 02:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Aww, so demanding. What are your favourite faces?
Arbo talk 19:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
"Sorry to be so pat about it, but 'I knows what I likes' :) ..."
Absolutely (I don't think you're being pat). Type is personal and subjective :) Type designers and typographers live in an abstract world.
Arbo talk 22:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I only like Iowan for its beautiful craftsmanship, fine finish, consistency of design (integration), and large useful family. But it lacks personality, and the short ascenders and descenders make it look undistinguished, pedestrian. That's what readability theory and studies have done -- robbed the world of the grace arising from eccentric design, in the name of efficiency. Give me an old font with faults and tall extenders any day—they only read 5 percent slower :)
Arbo talk 17:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Iowan old face

reposted from User_talk:James_Arboghast:

I have a more-than-passing interest in typefaces as well, and this was the first I'd seen this face. Is there some info you could direct me towards regarding the rationale and context underlying its' creation? It's seemingly 'heterogeneous' character forms (the serifs and 'color' of the letters seems to vary widely thoughout a single weight) seems designed for maximum readability in electronic means, but also a decidedly old-school look. It looks like a mix of Garamond, Adobe Serif and perhaps a touch of Myriad... What's the skinny, Arbo? -- User:RyanFreisling @ 02:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

It's that pesky Freisling harrying me with her pesky kvestions again! (much chuckling). I'm listening to Tehillim on radio. It's great. :-)
Geared Bull conveniently asked much the same thing at User talk:GearedBull#Excellent Bodoni sample.
Here's the modified answer;
Iowan Old Style is by the much-respected contemporary American sign painter John Downer. It's an old-style Renaissance-era book roman in the Venetian mode of Aldine and Jenson. It retains their low-ish line contrast, diagonal stressing and incised bracket serifs, but has a larger x-height, tighter letterfit and reproportioned capitals, suiting it to "...today's demanding Freisling-driven typographic environment" – ;-) It looks kind of Goudy-ish going by the italics and capitals. The conception and finish are much neater than the abberations Goudy put into his fonts to make them personal works of art with intentional faults, yet Downer's production is every bit as meticulous and artistic.
"It's seemingly 'heterogeneous' character forms (the serifs and 'color' of the letters seems to vary widely thoughout a single weight)"
Three different sizes in the sample may account for some of that impression. The heading is 20pt, body 14pt, footer 12pt italic. As book romans go Iowan's color and contrast are about midway between genuine old style Venetians and the transitionals like Baskerville and the Fell romans. The serif size range you're noticing is partly an anachronistic carry-over artifact of the metal punch-cut medium and its abberations, associated with old style type and integral to it—even in digital form.
Adobe Serif and Myriad are kind-sorta modelled on the old-style Venetians, Myriad more so than A.Serif.
Arbo talk 14:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Logistical support for The troubles with Gutenberg

Your valuable skills are needed to help solve The troubles with Gutenberg. My plan needs boosters.

The community's expectations are very high >>
Arbo talk 21:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll be taking a deep look at that page this week, and I'll offer any assistance I can based on what seems right to me. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 21:21, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. There's no hurry, just that when the time comes—when the material is a sorted out—Johannes Gutenberg and the articles User:DGG has suggested be written may need sheparding, a strong arm etc, protection from historical revisionist cranks. So I imagine, but I could be wrong (panic mode). I don't expect you to do any writing; only to facilitate in ways you feel appropriate, if at all. If it's out of your range that's fine too.
Keep in mind I won't be writing the revisions to Johannes Gutenberg. That's DG's job. I plan to finish History of typography by the end of October, then spend November releasing some overdue fonts. After that, I can't predict the rest of 2006.
Arbo talk 16:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Miaow! Crank alert. We need all the help we can get --- User talk:MONGO#The Phaistos disc, Gun Powder Ma, the troubles with Gutenberg. Meow-meow!
Best regards, Arbo talk 09:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Question

Lists now, just like Derex. Take it off your talk page and keep where you and Derex can easily find it.--Scribner 05:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with Derex, so I don't understand that part. Moreover, it's my understanding that it's perfectly acceptable to keep notes of other editor's edits on one's talk page. Can you help me understand why it isn't? Thanks. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 14:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Jgp

I have blocked him, and reported my action at WP:ANI. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm just sorry he didn't reconsider when I asked him nicely. A whole day of potential edits of mine have been stalled dealing with what appear to be willing disruptions vis-a-vis ED. In any case, thank you for your administrations. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 21:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Well, yourself and a number of others were busy today defending me and Misplaced Pages. A sincere thank you is the very least I can offer in return and a reminder that when things get tough for you here, please don't hesitate to let me know.--MONGO 04:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It's my pleasure to help and I'm grateful to you for the acknowledgement. Keep your head up and enjoy what's starting to look like a beautiful day! -- User:RyanFreisling @ 14:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Good faith

Hi Ryan.

Please don't worry; I don't imagine you're "baiting" Bdj. I did point out to him that, whether or not you are, accusing you of it is counterproductive. I don't mean to imply that you're actually baiting anyone. Sorry if that wasn't clear. It's pretty clear to me that you're working in good faith for the good of Misplaced Pages; I didn't realize there was any quesiton about that, since there wasn't in my mind. -GTBacchus 22:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Sunset

File:October 23 2006 sunset.jpg
October 23, 2006 sunset in Nebraska

Thanks for the flowers...very nice...and much appreciated.--MONGO 04:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

What a lovely picture - the poles are "the touch of artificiality that make it real". :) Take care. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 04:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
How odd...I just looked at the metadata on the above image and is says the 19th! So either I pulled it out of the files thinking it was the same sunset as tonights or I have the calendar messed up on the camera. Anyway...thanks again.--MONGO 04:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

questions

Thought you might has some useful questions regarding this arbcom nom, since you've been in an arbcom proceeding with him. Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2006/Candidate statements/Questions for Phil Sandifer. Or you might not care; just letting you know. Derex 08:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

disruptive and deliberate misquoting of WP:BIO

User:Badlydrawnjeff has been deliberately misquoting and misrepresenting the content of WP:BIO on numerous AfDs today, claiming it says "television personalities who have appeared in well-known films or television productions" are inherently notable, when it clearly says no such thing.

Jeff continues to repeat this falsehood on AfDs even after it's been pointed out that what it actually says is: "Notable actors and television personalities who have appeared in well-known films or television productions" and then goes on to spell out specific criteria regarding what constitutes "notable".

He has regarded it as a personal attack that I am repeatedly pointing out where he is leaving out the crucial part of the sentence every time he cites WP:BIO. Please advise. wikipediatrix 17:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Please use citations

No, I'm not being intentionally disruptive and I think it's confrontational, uncivil and unhelpful of you to make the accusation. I am asking for citations and full context is all. Please support the consensus use of a male personal pronoun to describe Brandon by providing acceptable citations of multiple major news stories, articles from peer reviewed scholarly journals and other published works, thanks. Gwen Gale 20:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

It's not consensus - it's WP policy to refer to transgendered individuals by their chosen identification. Mr. Teena chose to be identified as a male before his murder, and therefore the pronoun usage you used is incorrect. The pronouns policy is cited frequently on that article's talk page and in its' history. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 20:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Arbcom election

Hey Ryan. You probably already know, but just in case you don't, there's an arbcom election happening. Don't miss it!  :) -- noosphere 20:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

XY-chromosome intersex people can bear/have borne children

Hello Ryan, I did some more research as I think it's important to have some prove on the matter. I found the information in the book 'm/v, doorhalen wat niet van toepassing is' by Karin Spaink. The note in the book links to the website of Intersex society of North America. There was an issue in the Olympics since 1968 where athletes were disqualified as they had XY chromosomes. Spaink also say Jamie Lee Curtis happens to have XY chomosomes and is still an actress, see also the text what ru?. I googled it for you but have to find to read it all and I might start an article about it if it's not there already. Artgoyle 11:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I responded on your talk page. ISsues of sex typing in the Olympics, Jamie Lee Curtis etc. are irrelevant, as I am asking specifically about the capacity for XY-chromosome intersex individuals to give birth... -- User:RyanFreisling @ 14:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Please don't remove Swastik

Hi Ryan, I see that you are a Jew and you may be insulted by the symbol. Please read Swastika. The Nazi swastika is a different design and the Hindus are very peaceful people. We regard the symbol as holy. The Aum you replaced it with needs updating anyway. It is black which is not an auspicious colour in Hinduism unlike the red Swastik. Thank you Gizza 00:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm fully aware the swastika means different things to the Hindu people than to Jews. However, it's my hope that you will agree that the Aum is far more major of a symbol than the swastika, and does not have the same affiliation for Europeans as the swastika does. With that in mind, I believe it is therefore more encyclopedic when addressing general Hindu issues. Also - what leads you to believe I am a Jew? I ask kindly that you return the Aum and discuss it further on the template pages. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 00:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Ryan, while I agree with this, please weigh in at the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Hinduism. Sincerely, --BostonMA 00:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Will do - thanks for the invite! -- User:RyanFreisling @ 00:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Note: I've created and uploaded a red version of the 'aum' symbol, to use the red color User:DaGizza mentioned as being more auspicious for Hindus than the black of the original 'Aum.png':
Thank you. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 01:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

All due apologies. I couldn't help but arrive at "Mr." from "Ryan". :-p With respect, I wasn't addressing your arguments vis-à-vis the "2nd most important symbol" thing, since I regard that argument as patent nonsense, but rather your statement regarding relatives lost in the Sho'a as a source of emotional attachment (without prejudice...I wasn't saying your arguments were based in emotion, just that that's the part of your arguments I was addressing in my statement) to the issue at hand. Doing my best to not sound like I'm backpedalling... :-p Tomer 06:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

No apologies necessary - I rarely correct folks but you seemed honestly good-natured and interested in addressing the issue, so I figured I'd start on the right foot. And understood regarding your statement. Honest thanks, and good night to you! -- User:RyanFreisling @ 06:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
NP. For the record, I'm pretty ambivalent about what happens regarding whether or not the Hindus continue to use the swastika in their templates. I just don't want to see it taken out because of what I regard as inappropriate sentimentalism. G'nite to you too :-) Tomer 06:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
We're of like mind. My argument on that page regarding the relative importance of the two symbols has been subsumed in a sea of antipathy, misattributed comments and emotional fervor. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 06:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm...could you possibly be single? Please? If it helps, I'm part of the much-feared Misplaced Pages Zionist Cabal... :-D Tomer 06:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh my God, so am I (see my user page)! What a coincidence - but you'll have to show me your secret decoder ring to prove it. Yes, I'm single - but I'm high-maintenance, and as you might have guessed, a bit opinionated. Good news is, I'm as kind as I am bold. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 06:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey Ryan, I hope I wasn't offensive in any way. I've seen civilized democratic countries banning the Swastika, and I was wondering if[REDACTED] is heading that way. Luckily it's not. I hope you found the discussion healthy and productive. See you around! Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 06:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey butt out, deeptrivia. This is now the Romance Zone. Start your own section.  :-) Tomer 06:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Pshaw, Shilo... the only thing lamer than meeting a date online is meeting a date on Misplaced Pages. Can you imagine that dinner conversation? *shudder*!
Thanks again for your kindness, deeptrivia. I learned a lot, and hope you have too. Be well and sweet dreams. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 06:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

What are you smoking? I didn't delete anything you posted. I actually reposted something the gremlins apparently deleted previously... And, for the record, pshaw. nevermind, if you're that closeminded, it's not worth it. If you change your mind, you know where to find me. Tomer 06:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Shilo, I'm lost. I didn't say you deleted anything of mine. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 06:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Look at my talk page, yeah you did.  :-) I think you may have meant to have left it on Ghost's talkpage, but you didn't.  :-p As for the date, I'm more than happy to meet on a parkbench in a garden of tulips. So, sometime this spring then?  :-) If things go well tho, you must let me cook you a delicious meal for our second date.  :-D Tomer 07:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes indeed, I meant to direct that comment to Ghost (sorry it was unclear). What kinds of meals do you cook with joy and passion? The emotion of the cook is the greatest seasoning... -- User:RyanFreisling @ 07:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
BTW, and this only adds just a little bit to my geeky intrigue, you're the first person I've come across who might possibly be able to type as fast as me...and using proper grammar and correct spelling to boot! I'm <censored for minors/> Tomer 07:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Aber beklecker nicht das sofa!!! Gute nacht, mein freund. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 07:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

What kind of meals do I cook...well, generally, stuff my mother classifies as "too spicy". :-p I'm a big fan of Morroccan and Thai cuisine ... but generally I cook based on what I have and what strikes me as "good". To my palate, it's always good...cook's prerogative, but aside from my mother's lack-of-gall-bladder-induced complaints, I've never received anything but praise for my cheffery.  :-) I hope you can stomach copious quantities of foods seasoned heavily with paprika, peppers, garlic, za'atar (sorry, I don't know the English word), and the occasional reek of onions... :-) After-dinner mints help.  :-) Tomer 07:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The wisdom of garlic and onion meals on dates aside, and mints notwithstanding, your mention of paprika has sealed the deal for this Hungarian. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 07:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Sweet! How are you with the park benches in Herald Square? Tomer 07:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Incidentally, next time you're wandering about the city w/ your camera in tow, you might consider taking some more relevant pix of Herald Square...the ones in the article don't do it justice... Tomer 08:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Not a bad idea - I could do with a few more things from Macy's. I live and work waaay downtown but occasionally I can make it up there without getting a nosebleed :) -- User:RyanFreisling @ 16:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks Ryan for the kind words and the beautiful photograph :) I'm going to try to take another break from all this; I let myself get sucked back into it far too quickly. csloat 01:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Rebecca 00:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for presenting your viewpoint with such civility. Though we may have disagreed overall, at the end of the day, we did finally (and coincidently) express the same thoughts. :-) Abecedare 06:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I feel the same way, and I do indeed wish you well. Thanks for the civility and good faith as well, and although we may find ourselves on opposite sides of the next debate, I look forward to it and to learning from the process of interacting with you. Be well, and sweet dreams. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 06:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the pic. We have the same model camera too! :-) Abecedare 07:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
My 'older' camera Canon SD400 has a view-finder, but it's picture would have shown purple-fringing in a brightly lit shot like the Union Square Park photo you sent. So its difficult for me to make the choice ... so I usually just pick the "slimmer" one. Abecedare

Vandalism

Your deletion of my comments was vandalism. I'm sorry that I deleted your comment when I reverted your change. I failed to see that you had made an addition. Why leave messages about me on other's talk pages? Just contact on mine. I don't think I should "prove you wrong". I think it's been proven that you've deleted my post twice. So, if I went through and found your edits inappropriate, I could delete them? That doesn't make any sense. I'm sure you are going to strike this from your page because you feel it is uncivil.(Ghostexorcist 13:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC))

You're wrong. :) -- User:RyanFreisling @ 16:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Swastika Discussion

You may be right about straw polls. However, I am becoming increasingly skeptical about Misplaced Pages process. Do you have an idea of how to proceed? Sincerely, --BostonMA 00:55, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

  • sigh* Groupthink is ugly and I share your concern about the failings of WP process to defeat it.
I recommend that we proceed S L O W L Y, with discussion. :) We were getting somewhere before the racist arguments and multiple polls showed up. To me it's obvious that those who would want to frame the issue as Hindus vs. Jews (the sensitivities of each pitted against one another) are creating a Gordian Knot, and that's not something that is done when someone wants to reach consensus... that's the kneejerk reaction of someone who superficially assesses the situation and acts on bias, not someone who has read and understand the arguments involved. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 01:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

As is often the case (in real life!) we know what the only possible consensus solution is; but the process and a few ingrained positions ensured a stalemate/staus quo that benefits nobody. I am disappointed, but perhaps its important to keep in mind that this was relatively a minor issue. Anyway it was good to educate myself further about swastika and aum + make your acquaintance in the process.
May our future[REDACTED] activities be more fruitful ! :-)Abecedare 02:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely - and I have sincerely appreciated your insight on these issue from the beginning. 'Everything is Impermanent'. It's in the daily motions that the wheel of life turns! I'm very glad to have met you as well and I'm sure we'll collaborate again before too long :) -- User:RyanFreisling @ 02:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Ms. Freisling, your can-do spirit and optimism impresses me ! Even though I have counter-argued against some of your arguments (note: not against you) and may do so again in the future, believe me when I say that I will be rooting for you in this debate. All the best. Amen, אמן,  :-) Abecedare 04:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
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