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June 2020

Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I noticed that in this edit to Foreign relations of the Arab League, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Misplaced Pages with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Materialscientist (talk) 06:04, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

August 2020

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Misplaced Pages. El_C 19:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Where was unsourced material added? WatanWatan2020 (talk) 21:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

October 2020

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Lebanon. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. (CC) Tbhotch 04:31, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

October 2020

Your recent editing history at Lebanon shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. DeCausa (talk) 08:02, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Your need to adjust your approach

Hi WatanWatan2020, you may actually have a point; I am not sure but attacking editors and getting into edit wars is not going to get you anywhere and ultimately will not be tolerated. You do need to get into the habit of starting and engaging in discussions on articles' talk pages for controversial changes, which yours clearly are. I do suggest reading through past discussions to gain some knowledge about how consensus works, various points of view, Misplaced Pages's policies, etc. Jordan is a great example of a long debate about it's borders. S0091 (talk) 20:41, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions: Arab–Israeli conflict

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in the Arab–Israeli conflict. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Misplaced Pages's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

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Please note that users who have made less than 500 edits may not edit in the area of conflict, as you did in this edit: and several others. For details see: WP:A/I/PIA. Further edits in the area may lead to you being blocked from editing for this reason. Thanks for your understanding. --IamNotU (talk) 23:48, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	You deserve the Arab Homeland barnstar. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 22:15, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

December 2020

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Saudi Arabia, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Acroterion (talk) 15:26, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Flynas, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Misplaced Pages:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Jetstreamer  23:15, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey, I added a citation for the membership to the Arab Air carriers organization. Although, there are plenty of airline articles with memberships and alliances added without citing any sources. So, I am now simply curious as to why you focused on Flynas article requiring the need to provide citation for such membership. Again, I placed the citation as you asked. Thanks WatanWatan2020 (talk) 23:35, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

December 2020

Please stop your disruptive editing.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
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If you continue to disrupt Misplaced Pages, you may be blocked from editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.174.169.170 (talk) 20:42, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
Please make yourself familiar with our guidelines before any further edits. Stating sources, citations and summaries for all changes is mandatory. Also note that airlines in liquidation are threated as defunct / former airlines throughout this Wiki. Several of your edits have been undone as they pose guideline and content violations.

1) how would you block someone from an anonymous user? I suspect I know exactly who you are and that’s why you are threatening with a block because on your main account you may possess such power. 2) all the information I added have been with proper citations and sources. It is you who in fact are implementing wrong information on purpose, such as in the case of Palestinian airlines main headquarters; I added a sourced citation, but you removed it and placed a different location for HQ without any sourced citation, therefore you are the one violating wiki guild lines. 3. You are harassing me by stalking my every move on Misplaced Pages. Every edit you’ve made so far, is on all the articles I just edited and you are actually only attacking my edits. 4) I am giving you that same warning, that legal action will be taken if you don’t stop stocking and harassing me, and If you don’t stop vandalizing articles with proper information. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 22:13, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Also, please provide the link to where in the wiki guidelines does it state that airlines in the process of liquidation are threaded as former or defunct airlines. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 22:14, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

AACO

It is unnecessary to add the same link to every article, this can be considered spam. A reliable source in the main article is sufficient as it has been for years. Also, self-referencing within Misplaced Pages (meaning using another Wiki article as a citation) is not allowed. Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.174.169.170 (talk) 20:56, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Please stop vandalizing the Palestinian Airlines article. You’re also purposely implementing false information that it’s headquarters are based in Arish Egypt when the fact is that is actually in Gaza, Palestine. The citation was there as well for it. There was also no use of referencing to a Misplaced Pages page, they were sources all from the exterior. It seems you have some sort of political motivation to keep vandalizing this airlines web page. By the way, starting the process of liquidation does not mean that the company is closed down. It is closed down when liquidation is completed. This should be known to you if you study economics. Please stop vandalizing this article, and I recommend you get an actual user instead of doing such things from an anonymous mode. Thanks. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

I also have the feeling that I know exactly who you are. You’ve been stalking all Edits and reversing them out of spite. I will take legal action if your harassment and persistent stalking, coupled with The continuous vandalism doesn’t stop. Again, I have a feeling I know exactly who you are. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 21:56, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

December 2020

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• Per the legal threats made above. Please also see WP:OUTING. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:53, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

WatanWatan2020 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

The reason I am requesting an unblock is because I am wrongfully accused of malicious actions by a specific user who seems to be running multiple accounts in which I have been stalked and harassed. This is all in regards to updated information that I was publishing with cited sources; said user started to use different excuses to keep removing them. When I met his demands as per wiki guidelines to use sources from outside Misplaced Pages.. he logged in on an anonymous account without any prior history (completely fresh) and threatened me with a block all the while removing the updated information similar to how said user was doing. Without any investigations, I was complained by said user to an administrator who swiftly implemented the block the next minute without investigating, nor asking any questions. I have receipts of all such interactions for proper administrators to view and make judgement upon. ThanksWatanWatan2020 (talk) 16:09, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Decline reason:

To be unblocked, you need to first unequivocally withdraw your threats of legal action. While we cannot stop you from pursuing any legal rights you have in your country, you cannot make legal threats on Misplaced Pages, and if you have any outstanding threats, or have a legal action underway, you cannot edit Misplaced Pages until the threats are withdrawn or any legal action resolved. You can pursue any grievances you have in the courts of your country or on Misplaced Pages, but not both.

The block is also for violations of WP:OUTING. As your request does not address these two points, I am declining it. 331dot (talk) 16:24, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Just a comment, in case there is a misunderstanding here (it looks to me like English is not WatanWatan2020's native language). First, I don't see where WatanWatan2020 has violated WP:OUTING, just a warning not to. The statement "I suspect I know exactly who you are and that’s why you are threatening with a block because on your main account you may possess such power" sounds to me like they suspect someone of sock puppetry, not that they know or are threatening to reveal who they are in the "real world". Is that correct?

Second, WatanWatan2020, what do you mean exactly by "legal action"? Misplaced Pages does not allow editors to threaten to take other editors to court in the "real world". If you meant instead that you would take action within Misplaced Pages, like registering a complaint with an admin or at WP:ANI, that's not a problem and you should be unblocked. --IamNotU (talk) 16:53, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey there, I’d like to clarify that when I mentioned “legal action” I meant that I would inform an administrator here on Misplaced Pages of which I did. In no way, shape, or form did I ever mean to take such a simple matter through any court system Etc. I’m clarifying now that I meant legal action within Misplaced Pages on the basis of Misplaced Pages guidelines. For the sake of this matter, I am stating clearly that I have not and will not pursue any legal action. In regards to the accusation of “outing”, this is the malicious accusations leveled against me by said user. Please check all conversations I’ve had and you will see that I never, ever threatened with “outing” or anything even remotely close to it. That is why I said if an administrator could please investigate the matter through all the established receipts here on Misplaced Pages, that they will reach the conclusion I am talking about. I hope I had addressed these 2 points.

To IamNotU, thank you very much. This is exactly what I’ve been trying to clarify, I hope I clarified your concerns with the statements above. ThanksWatanWatan2020 (talk) 17:25, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok, that's what I thought. 331dot, it looks to me like this block was a result of a misunderstanding. Can you reverse it, or does WatanWatan2020 need to make another unblock request? --IamNotU (talk) 18:18, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

IamNotU The legal action aspect seems resolved, but the user did make statements above suggesting they might reveal someone's identity. 331dot (talk) 18:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey, I never ever stated or suggested that I am going to reveal someone’s identity. I simply said that I have a feeling I know who it is in reference to him stalking and harassing me. As you said to clarify these 2 points, i did. Can I be unblocked now please? Thanks.

331dot, I'm not really seeing that. WatanWatan2020 suspects that they know that IP 188.174.169.170 has a user account and is editing logged out to avoid scrutiny (in which case, if there is evidence, they certainly should reveal the identity at WP:SPI) - not that they know anything about their real-life identity. I think WatanWatan2020 has explained that pretty clearly above. I don't doubt that there are some issues with WatanWatan2020's edits, but let's not muddy the waters over miscommunication.

WatanWatan2020, at this point it might be good to make another unblock request. Just keep it short and explain what you meant by "legal action" and "I suspect I know exactly who you are". There's no need to go into what the other person has done, that only makes it less likely to get unblocked. --IamNotU (talk) 18:44, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

The user may make another unblock request; I'm okay if the blocking admin is okay. 331dot (talk) 18:48, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I appreciate you guys. I will make another unblock request. ThanksWatanWatan2020 (talk) 19:53, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

December 2020

Hello, WatanWatan2020. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Arab Air Carriers Organization, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
• propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
• disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
• avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:Spam);
• do your best to comply with Misplaced Pages's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Misplaced Pages:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Ahunt (talk) 17:51, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Ahunt, you are the exact person I am speaking about in terms of false accusations against me and running multiple accounts that got me blocked. For you to come with another accusation that I may be related to a company or engaging in advertisement purposes, is yet another attempt by you to smear me and accuse me of malicious intent. You are also now stalking me yet again as you have with in the past; an example is everywhere I have complained to an admin or editor, you followed me up with false accusations and then informed them that I am blocked and that I shouldn’t be worried about.

I ask that you stay away from my matters and allow it to be resolved by neutral parties. Please leave me alone. I have made sure to point out that there is possibly a sock puppetry scheme running against me. Thanks. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 18:08, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

If you are accusing me of leading some campaign against your spamming articles with links to this organization then you are quite sadly mistaken. That IP you accuse, 188.174.169.170 is from Germany and my own user page quite clearly shows I am from Canada. You can start by reading WP:AGF and WP:NPA. What there is here is an editing consensus, by a number of different editors, that the additions you made to these articles are spam and do not belong there. My warning above was given because you have been so aggressively edit-warring to insert ref spam into these articles that it looks like you are working for the organization in question. - Ahunt (talk) 18:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

As per the Misplaced Pages page relating to sock puppetry, there is other methods one can deploy to engage in sock puppetry. For example, one can ask someone they personally know to log in with an ip and do a favor for them amongst many other things. Arbitrators on Misplaced Pages may get to the bottom of it at some point. They have the tools and means to do so. I am not edit warring with anyone, it is a socket puppet scheme by an individual that isn’t getting his way while trying to control certain Misplaced Pages articles to himself. I added proper information with cited sources, while you try to shrug it off as spam, when in fact the same information I was adding was in other airline articles already. They were also without any citations to which I added. Leave me alone. WatanWatan2020 (talk) 18:40, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

You can't make wild sock puppetry accusations against other editors unsupported by facts, make legal and "outing" threats, try and play the victim and then whine that editors are warning you about your unacceptable and disruptive behaviour. You are clearly WP:NOTTHERE. If an admin does unblock you and you go back to spamming articles then your edits will be reversed, as we have an editing consensus not to include them. - Ahunt (talk) 18:51, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

WatanWatan2020, I haven't looked into this at all, but if you have clear evidence of sock puppetry, you should file a report at WP:SPI, and not discuss it anywhere else. Otherwise, Ahunt is correct - making accusations of sock puppetry or stalking, without evidence, violates several Misplaced Pages guidelines and policies. On the other hand, I think it's been established that WatanWatan2020 has not made legal threats or attempted outings. It would be best for all to focus on the validity of the edits rather than each other. Thanks. --IamNotU (talk) 19:22, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I don’t think it has been established that WatanWatan2020 has not made a legal threat. Firstly, their first language may not be English but it is highly proficient. I don’t believe there was any confusion about the meaning of “legal”. Secondly, from the context it was clearly a legal threat - it was linked to knowing the editor’s identity: “ I also have the feeling that I know exactly who you are. You’ve been stalking all Edits and reversing them out of spite. I will take legal action if your harassment and persistent stalking,”. Thirdly, IanNotU, you gave WatanWatan the explanation, which they jumped on. They didn’t come up with it themselves. Whilst it’s good that WatanWatan has withdrawn the threat it would be a more credible if they admitted they made a mistake in making it rather than claiming it was never meant to be a legal threat. DeCausa (talk) 19:36, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

To IamNotU, I understand what you are saying and I will abide by such recommendations. Thanks. To Decausa, I have clarified what I meant by “legal” in that I was going to ask another administrator to look into it. I also declared that I neither pursued “legal action” nor will I. For future reference, I learned that it is proper to say “ I will take this matter to wiki administrators” to be very clear. I apologize and won’t use such words that may give the wrong impression ever again. In regards to the “outing” accusation, I never said that. I even clarified in the other discussion multiple times. It was simply a tactic by the accuser to place me in into as many violations as possible to give pretext for a block. I also did not jump on anything IamNotU said, I only thanked him for helping me clarify what I’ve been trying to say all along. I also appreciate his recommendations on matters that I may learn from. ThanksWatanWatan2020 (talk) 19:49, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

OK. Fair enough. WP:AGF. (By the way, you’re still not indenting your posts. Did you read WP:THREAD.) DeCausa (talk) 21:26, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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reason: hey there, the reason why I am requesting an unblock is because I was wrongly accused of trying to “out” someone. Also, saying that I was gonna take “legal action” was taken completely out of context. What I meant by this was that I will take the matter to an administrator here within Misplaced Pages, so the “legal action” was in reference to Misplaced Pages guidelines and how it resolves disputes. Never ever did I mean anything different by such a statement. I declared openly that I never did and never will pursue any action outside of Misplaced Pages and I apologized for the confusion and clarified both points multiple times. I hope that I am unblocked. ThanksWatanWatan2020 (talk) 20:00, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Accept reason:

To be honest, I find your explanation about the legal threats only marginally convincing, however, everyone else seems fine with it so I AGF and presume I'm being unreasonably skeptical. In light of the above conversation, it also seems there is a general agreement by you not to engage in outing, nor to engage in sockpuppetry accusations outside of SPI. Whether or not you ever did or your comments were, like the legal matter, simply misconstrued is neither here nor there provided you've expressed a commitment not to do so. I would personally advise you attempt to steer clear of the editor in question, but that's a matter for your individual discretion.
Anyway, long story short, you are hereby UNBLOCKED. Chetsford (talk) 05:57, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

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