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Articles created/expanded on May 22

Perp walk

• ... that reporters waited as long as 15 hours to see Dominique Strauss-Kahn's perp walk?

• ALT1:... that actor Judd Hirsch's son once promoted an upcoming appearance by his band during a perp walk on drug charges (later dropped)?
• Reviewed: CSS Missouri ()

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 18:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

At least in relation to the first suggestion, I have deep BLP style reservations about applying the word perpetrator (even in abbreviated form) to somebody whose case has not even reached the courts. Does innocent until proven guilty not apply to Wiki? Kevin McE (talk) 20:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The term is used so often that I don't think most people make the connection to the full meaning of "perpetrator" anymore. BLP says nothing (yet) about maintaining the presumption of innocence of people accused of crimes, not in the least because it is not a universal practice (yet). Not that it wouldn't be a bad idea to so amend BLP, but in the present circumstance that doesn't apply. Daniel Case (talk) 19:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure BLP would restrict us from calling someone a perpetrator of a crime, when no RS would dare doing so for fear of libel and/or contempt proceedings. Perhaps we could get around it by using a phrase like "so-called perp walk". Kevin McE (talk) 21:28, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, RSes all over the U.S. use it all the time, including in discussing the one mentioned. Nor, for all the concern expressed over the potentially prejudicial effect on the presumption of innocence, have I found any evidence of any attempt to actually research this. If it's good enough for the New York Times, it's good enough for us. I'll go with putting it in quotes, perhaps, but even that goes against standard usage in the American media. Daniel Case (talk) 01:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

"Perp walk" is surely semantically independent of "perpetrator" at this stage, no? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 01:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Essentially what I was saying in so many words. Daniel Case (talk) 05:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The perp walk term is used in reference to Strauss-Kahn by Reuters, the Washington Post, the New York Times, the New Yorker, MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN. The term was also used in reference to Strauss-Kahn in an Associated Press article that ran in the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, CBS News, ABC News, and NPR. Some of these stories discuss the clash in American vs. French and European reactions to the perp walk, as it is quite common in the U.S. but very rare in France and Europe. I think these stories may explain Daniel and Kevin's reactions to this hook, as Daniel is American and Kevin is British. OCNative (talk) 10:41, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Obviously a vast difference here between the US and non-US perception of how common this term is: I had never heard of it before reading this hook (and incidentally, I'm more Irish than British, but anyway...). I would still be happier with a one step removed treatment of the term, by putting it in inverted commas or preceding it with so called, but I'll make that a suggestion rather than an objection. Kevin McE (talk) 14:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I was going off your respective user pages. I saw that you had mentioned Irish roots, but everything else looked British. Sorry about my mix-up on that. OCNative (talk) 08:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd be inclined to accept ALT1 + the first suggestion. Myself being from the United Kingdom, I do not pick up any implication that he is guilty (despite the barely visible etymology of the phrase). Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:18, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Deacon, I know you said you'd "be inclined to accept ALT1," but it seems that you are describing the original DSK hook. Could you clarify whether you were referring to the Dominique Strauss-Kahn hook or the Judd Hirsch hook? OCNative (talk) 08:22, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for being confusing; I have altered my statement for clarity. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 14:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

"perp walk" needs to be less opaque if this is to attract the readers; it just doesn't make enough sense at the moment (especially to non-Americans) if you don't know the term. I have a problem with possible POV ... why should the press not wait 15 hours? What is so bad about that? Tony (talk) 13:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Isn't the idea to get people to click on the link to learn more? I've clicked on quite a few, both here and on the Main Page.
• Fifteen hours is a rather long time to wait for any media event. Perhaps the hook should clarify that they waited 15 hours at the scene, i.e., without going back to their hotels or offices. But, I sort of thought that was implicit. Daniel Case (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• "At the scene", yes, that's looking better. Even "journalists were forced to wait 15 hours at the scene ...". On clicking on links ... I do believe the primary aim is to get visitors to click to the DYK article first, not to be diverted to another to work out what on earth it means. (They will either pass over it, or click to "perp" and never come back. Neither do we want. Get them to the DYK article by somehow explaining "perp"? Don't much like the parentheses, either. I do hope perp walks are always with the agreement of the person charged. There seems to be something perverted about the whole notion. What about this?

  ALT2:... that actor Judd Hirsch's son promoted an upcoming appearance by his band during a "perp" walk (a "perpetrator's" walk in public for the media) on drug charges that were later dropped? Tony (talk) 07:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC) Hmmm ... on revisiting ALT2, I'm not sure I like it. Long and clunky. Tony (talk) 14:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• "They will either pass over it, or click to "perp" and never come back. Neither do we want. Get them to the DYK article by somehow explaining "perp"? Don't much like the parentheses, either." Hmm? I don't understand this. The two terms are not separate; clicking on the boldface will get the reader to the article we want them to read. As for your second comment, well ... just read the article. Daniel Case (talk) 16:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 24

Carlisle House, Soho, Teresa Cornelys

• ... that there were once two Carlisle Houses in Soho Square, London, one of which was the site of Mrs. Cornelys' sensational entertainments and the other of London's premier arms and riding school?

• ALT1:... that in eighteenth-century London, Domenico Angelo's fencing and riding school was in a Carlisle House in Soho Square and Madame Cornelys' masquerades and illegal operas in another?

Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 16:05, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: Teresa Cornelys was just created on May 29 and will change a bit, especially after I get hold of the book on her that I was forced to order online. But these 2 articles belong together, so dual nomination at the last minute for the Carlisle House one. (And I will review an article as soon as I can.) Yngvadottir (talk) 16:09, 30 May 2011 (UTC) Got the book, revised Teresa Cornelys, hope someone can now review the two articles. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I have now reviewed Trisakti shootings: diff. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:46, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Units check. As with several articles coming for DYK, it needed checking for units of measure. I've now provided the required conversions to 'feet' and guineas. Lightmouse (talk) 22:47, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Overlinked, and ALT1 loses track in "another" ... the reader will think "another what? The original is better, with the whole point at the opening. But please unlink "London". ALT2 ... that there were once two Carlisle Houses in Soho Square, London, one of which was the site of Mrs. Cornelys' sensational entertainments, and the other of London's premier arms and riding school? Tony (talk) 14:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at it! I'm not sure whether you are saying the articles are overlinked or just the first hook? If the articles . . . I'm not sure how much readers will know about the 18th-century context, such as the fact the King's Theatre still exists but has changed name, and I think it's nice that we have articles on several London streets so that those not familiar with London can look them up if they're so inclined, or if "Haymarket," for instance, doesn't seem like a street name. The only difference I see between the first hook and ALT2 (other than the use of the gizmo for the apostrophe) is that London has been unlinked - and I thought about not linking that but a lot of readers are going to think New York when they see "Soho" and I've been bopped before for not making "obvious" links in DYK hooks. So I think it needs that context. I like the first hook a little better, too, but since we have an article on the fencing and riding school man, I thought that might suck in readers with different interests from me. (I had also considered making a hook about the Catholic chapel/church connection but couldn't see an interesting way to convey it in under 200 words. Both houses were used for Catholic chapels at different times and Mrs Cornelys' notorious establishment made way for St. Patrick's; various authors have remarked on the irony, or justice, of that.) I don't think either hook is unclear with respect to there being 2 Carlisle Houses, but perhaps you're right that people are going to miss the indefinite article in ALT1. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The hook, not the article. Can we save space with the numeral? ... that in Soho Square in 18th-century London, Domenico Angelo's fencing and riding school was in a Carlisle House and Madame Cornelys' masquerades and illegal operas in another house of the same name?

Is that what "another" means? It's just over the limit now, at 202 ch. Tony (talk) 07:32, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I guess I see why London might not need to be linked in the hook, so long as it's mentioned, but I think Soho Square needs to be. (As I say, I've been corrected before for assuming people can glean enough context from these very brief hooks.) "another" after "a Carlisle House" still seems clear to me, and "another house of the same name" is awfully long and also it seems to me gives the false impression the link on Carlisle House is only about one of them. I'm not sure whether 18th-century with a numeral is allowed in hooks; I know it's deprecated in articles. If it is allowed . . . how about:

• ALT3 ... that in 18th-century London, Domenico Angelo's fencing and riding school was in a Carlisle House and Madame Cornelys' masquerades and illegal operas in another Carlisle House, both in Soho Square?

I make that 199 characters in a count by hand. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Isn't "Soho Square" linked in both DYK articles, prominently? I'd say get the readers to both of those articles first; then let them choose further links. The worst would be if they go to Soho Square first: will they ever end up at Carlisle House or Madam Cornelys then? Tony (talk) 10:11, 3 June 2011 (UTC) Century numerals: I think they're obligatory in articles, not deprecated. Tony (talk) 10:12, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Well the thing is, the underlying interesting fact is that both houses were on Soho Square and both were known by the same name. Since Mrs. Cornelys' was pulled down and the other survived until the Blitz, they've become confused - some sources don't realise there were two of them. And - as you'll see if you look at the pretty poor Carlisle House DAB page - there was another Carlisle House in London. I'll eventually write it up if no one else gets to it first, but so far I believe it was in Lambeth. So people do need to be told Soho Square or I'll be being misleading. And not just Soho or I'll be understating the oddness. I'd pipe the 2 houses to the 2 sections of the article, but I believe that violates the guidelines. - And I'm personally happy enough for them to click on Soho Square instead of the target articles, I'm not being paid by the hit. On having too many links in hooks: as I've said, I've been corrected on this before and reminded that Did You Know is seen by readers who have no idea of the context. When I proposed John Stanley Coombe Beard at DYK, I thought West Wickham was sufficient localisation and people could click on that if they didn't know where it was - but London got added, with the link. So it seems to be the dominant interpretation of the guideline on giving enough info in the hook for context, and that plus the existence of Soho in Manhattan is why I put in London this time - Soho's confusing in a way that West Wickham isn't. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:52, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Lagos Colony, Walter Egerton

• ... that Walter Egerton, last Governor of Lagos Colony, hoped to build a railway through British Guiana to Brazil?

• Reviewed: Nathaniel Merrill

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Everything checks out, but I think it would be better if the hook was related to Lagos, not British Guiana. Something about his push for rail over river transport perhaps? The-Pope (talk) 12:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that Walter Egerton, last Governor of Lagos Colony, found that pacification patrols in southeast Nigeria usually achieved submission without using force?

I suppose this hook is more suitable to both articles. Aymatth2 (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Could pacification patrols have a wikilink to a relevant article? It's not a term that I'm familiar with - but is used in the source - maybe put it in quotes or italics? Also adding the word "annual" prior to pacification might also give a better context. The-Pope (talk) 12:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that Walter Egerton, last Governor of Lagos Colony, found that annual "pacification patrols" in southeast Nigeria usually achieved submission without using force?

Good points - see ALT2 for the changes. I don't think "pacification patrol" is a technical term that should have an article, although a Google books search does show it being used in other contexts to mean an armed patrol through hostile territory aimed at discouraging resistance. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:20, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Context isn't quite clear enough in any of the three attempts. The context for 1 and 2 was that such patrols had traditionally used brutal force? If so, that needs to be said. Tony (talk) 07:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• I don't follow. See here for the source, towards the foot of the page. Egerton initiated the policy of sending out annual pacification patrols. He found that the threat of force was "usually" sufficient to eliminate any threat of resistance to the colonial administration, which could then move in and take over. Presumably, although not stated by the source, force was used occasionally. What would you suggest for the hook? How about ALT3 below: Aymatth2 (talk) 13:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT3: ... that Walter Egerton, last Governor of Lagos Colony, initiated annual "pacification patrols" in southeast Nigeria which usually achieved submission without using force?

Interest level of ALT3 just passes. I tweaked the article. Do consider accessing the quick, easy and non-controversial dash script – for breaks and year ranges. Just paste: importScript("User:GregU/dashes.js"); into your vector.js file or monobook.js file. Expect the button at the same tab as the move-page. Instructions for script acquisition in general are here. Tony (talk) 10:28, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - I tried the dash script, and it works well. Now I have to remember to click on the dash for any article I start. Useful. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:06, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Aodh Méith

• ... that Aodh Méith, Ó Néill chief and king of Tír Eoghain, refused to meet John, king of England, because the latter was unwilling to give hostages?

• Reviewed: Hidase Dam ()

Created by Deacon of Pndapetzim (talk). Self nom at 00:47, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

A request for clarification: is this a return of hostages as part of negotiations, hostages as a surety of the safety of Aodh Méith, or what? Kevin McE (talk) 14:18, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The latter. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:05, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

In that case ALT1 ... that Aodh Méith, Ó Néill chief and king of Tír Eoghain, refused to meet John, King of England because the latter was unwilling to give hostages as surety that he would be safe? Kevin McE (talk) 20:26, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Don't think the top suggestion should be confusing ("give", not "return"), but your ALT1 would work too minus that he would be safe which sounds a tad clumsy. It makes sense without it, or even with as surety for his safety.Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 20:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I like the for his safety: reads better than my proposal Kevin McE (talk) 11:28, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Islanding

• ... that in spite of real-world tests concluding that the risk is "virtually zero", islanding conditions are still used by utility companies to refuse connection of new distributed generation systems?

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 17:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Bird Watching, below

• Length, date OK, but the referencing needs work... I gather that one of the other references already given was authored by Verhoeven? Which one? Need to fill in author= -danjel (talk to me) 14:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

It's used in #8. I'm not sure I know what you mean by the author=, I've never used that. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry as in: {{ref |author=}}. -danjel (talk to me) 00:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't used that either. Can you make a sample edit in the page so I can see how to do it? Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I really can't... The problem is that I can't identify what "Bower & Ropp" is, because you haven't given me any other information to find those citations besides the author names. You need to, at least, provide the year of publication, the title, and publisher.

Above, I was assuming that Verhoeven, Bower & Ropp, etc. were the authors of some of the other references that you've already provided, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Take a look at WP:REFERENCES#Examples and Template:Cite and fill in some detail so that the references are verifiable. -danjel (talk to me) 02:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Context/definition is missing: I had a vision of an electricity customer on an island. This is no good as it stands. Tony (talk) 12:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Comment I disagree that the hook provides inadequate context; it merely invites the reader to click through to discover the technical meaning of islanding. Also, the reference format used is an acceptable alternate where each reference refers to one of the items in the Bibliography. I would have given the author names for the CANMET article, but that's a quibble; what's being cited is identified (and linked in all 3 cases). Unfortunately I can't review this nomination; I don't have the technical background. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I know, but I can't identify which other item it is that has those individuals as authors. I clicked through and still couldn't. The referencing needs to be improved. -danjel (talk to me) 09:53, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

? "Bower & Ropp" = 1st item in Bibliography: "Ward Bower and Michael Ropp, "Evaluation of Islanding Detection Methods for Utility-Interactive Inverters in Photovoltaic Systems", Sandia National Laboratories, November 2002". "CANMET" = 2nd item in Bibliography: "(CANMET), "An Assessment of Distributed Generation Islanding Detection Methods and Issues for Canada", CANMET Energy Center, 2004". "Verhoeven" = 3rd item in Bibliography: "Bas Verhoeven, "Probability of Islanding in Utility Network due to Grid Connected Photovoltaic Power Systems", KEMA, 1999". The remaining refs ought in fact to follow the same format for consistency. And I personally wish "pg." could become "p." and "pp." This "identified sources with key in a bibliography" referencing style is not my favorite, but I actually like it better than the blasted templates that never have an identifiable way to fit in quirks of sources and that spit out references in ass-backwards Harvard style and with the same author or journal wikilinked an infinitude of times. (End personal rant.) Yngvadottir (talk) 15:20, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Bird Watching (magazine)

• ... that Bird Watching magazine sells more copies by subscription than from newsagents?

Created by Pigsonthewing (talk). Self nom at 16:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• • The article is good and the hook is refed fine, but I'm not so sure about the hook -- I would wager that the same is true for many specialist magazines. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
    • At 761 characters of prose, it's still a stub, well short of the 1500 required. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:01, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
      • Thanks; I wasn't aware of the minimum-length requirement. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
        • For more info on the prose size requirement, see here and here. Use of a tool such as User:Shubinator/DYKcheck.js (the most accurate) or User:Dr pda/prosesize.js is recommended for determining prose size. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Very boring hook. Tony (talk) 12:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC) Article: overlinked (UK, subscription, magazine ... why dilute the link to "birdwatchers"? Spell out ABC. Run the dash script on this, please. (Very handy to install – does within-sentence interruptors and year ranges). Is the article long enough to qualify? Tony (talk) 14:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Nope, only 715 chars of readable prose. Eisfbnore  14:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Paperbark Flycatcher

• ... that the Paperbark Flycatcher never uses the "scissors-grinding" call of the closely related Restless Flycatcher?

• Comment: hook picked as it sounds...weird. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Created by Maias (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 12:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Hall income tax
• Date, length check out well. Hook reference accepted in good faith.-- CrossTempleJay  → talk 14:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The grinding scissors noise might be notable in discussion of the Restless Flycatcher, but has absolutely nothing to do with the Paperbark Flycatcher. Humans never walk around with their backsides in the air like the closely related chimpanzee, but we don't use that fact as the main piece of data to share about our species. Kevin McE (talk) 20:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

The issue was that they were considered the same species until 1999 and look very similar. I just realised the former point is not conveyed and hence the significance is lost. I am ruminating on how to make it more interesting. I just thought the "scissors-grinding" thing was funny....Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Casliber. I'm afraid I agree with Kevin McE - "scissors-grinding" is a feature of Restless Flycatcher and has nothing to do with the Paperbark Flycatcher. Sorry. --Philcha (talk) 12:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

That's why I suggested the alternate below - more interesting than it sounds as it is highly unusual for a species to be split like this in a first world country. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1

• ... that the Paperbark Flycatcher was only classified as a species distinct from the similar-looking Restless Flycatcher in 1999?
• "rictal bristles"—I love it. Rushing to my dictionary (no link for rictal?). " There is no overlap in size between the species."—not quite sure what it means. Please go easy on the clause connector ", with ... -ing" (, with nana almost never using, etc). So what kind of vocalisation does nana use? The hook is a bit forced, isn't it? ... saying that the subject doesn't do something Tony (talk) 14:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC).

ALT2

• ... that the Paperbark Flycatcher has proportionately longer and stouter rictal bristles than the otherwise similar Restless Flycatcher?

ok Tony, cute word included :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:27, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 25

Nickel Ashmeade

• ... that Jamaican sprinter Nickel Ashmeade beat a former Olympic and World champion in the 100 m and set a meet record at the Ponce Grand Prix in May 2011?

5x expanded by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 09:34, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• meet record is, I believe, an Americanism: it would be an athletics meeting on my side of the Atlantic. I wonder whether those involved in the sport on both sides of the Atlantic might be able to acknowledge something like event record as a version neutral compromise. Kevin McE (talk) 19:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I have no problem with the switch from "set a meet record" to "set an event record" in this hook, but is it really necessary? The words "meet record" were taken directly from the ref., which is an IAAF website, so this is probably "international" English. Furthermore, the hook is about an event that took place in Puerto Rico, an accomplishment by someone who makes his home in Florida. So using American English seems appropriate. Anyway, I'll be happy either way. --PFHLai (talk) 21:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:ENGVAR suggests finding phrasings that are common to all versions of English over and above conforming to local language customs. Kevin McE (talk) 14:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't mind changing that part, but I don't think it is necessary. Everyone understands what that means. --PFHLai (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

"Meet record"—jargon in athletics throughout the anglosphere, not just the US. The problem is that it's jargon.

Hook: boring, I'm afraid. What is the focus of interest, the irony, the punch? Is it that a Jamaican (a black guy, I guess) beat someone? Probably not, but some readers may take that as the point. It's not even clear from the article. Could one take this line:

"... that Jamaican sprinter Nickel Ashmeade has had a meteoric rise over the past four years, and beat a former Olympic and World champion in the 100 m and set a meet record at the Ponce Grand Prix in May 2011?"

But now it's 209 ch. You could shorten the Ponce bit and remove 2011. Tony (talk) 14:49, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The only thing I would remove would be the POV/PEACOCK-ish "has had a meteoric rise over the past four years". Boring? I find it exciting when a record is set. If you are looking for a boring hook to fix, try #Argentina at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, South Africa at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, Australia at the 1972 Summer Paralympics below. --PFHLai (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Saxon (horse)

• ... that the offspring of the stallion Saxon were the subject of teasing from his owner's brother, resulting in a challenge race that his horse won by four lengths?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Nominated by Qrsdogg (talk) at 00:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Special thanks to Demiurge1000 for coming up with the hook.
• Reviewed First Battle of Newbury Qrsdogg (talk) 00:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I read that a few times without being any the wiser about whether "his horse" meant the horse belonging to the owner or the owner's brother. Perhaps ... that when his owner's brother criticised the offspring of the stallion Saxon, Saxon's daughter won the resulting challenge race by four lengths? I know the same word appears either side of a comma, but it is unambiguous. The margin of victory is fairly meaningless if we don't know the distance of the race (or even the tactics of the jockeys: was one horse or the other easing up at the end if the result was already clear?) Kevin McE (talk) 06:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Ok, how about ALT1:... that when his owner's brother criticised the offspring of the stallion Saxon, Saxon's daughter won the resulting challenge race? Qrsdogg (talk) 10:58, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Hans Vogt (composer)

• ... that Hans Vogt, born 100 years ago, composed an opera based on Hermann Kasack's novel Die Stadt hinter dem Strom which was first staged at the Internationale Maifestspiele Wiesbaden in 1955?

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 05:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed #Isabella Psalter, Queen Mary Psalter --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

- Date, length, hook looks all good to go. Connormah (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• After an addition to the article, replaced in the hook "premiered" by "first staged", because the opera had been broadcast before. Btw, Vogt was born in MAY 1911, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Now there is a stub article on the opera itself, therefore

ALT1:... that the opera Die Stadt hinter dem Strom, composed by Hans Vogt (born 100 years ago) based on Hermann Kasack's novel, was first staged at the Internationale Maifestspiele Wiesbaden in 1955?

HD 154672 b, HD 154672

• ... that, if extrasolar planet HD 154672 b has water in its atmosphere, the water probably changes from a liquid to a gas regularly as the planet makes its orbit?

5x expanded by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 19:32, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Assembly of French Citizens Abroad --Starstriker7 19:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Ready to go. Harrison49 (talk) 19:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Could I add a second article as well?

ALT1: ... that, , if extrasolar planet HD 154672 b has water in its atmosphere, the water probably changes from a liquid to a gas regularly as the planet makes its orbit around its host star? --Starstriker7 22:51, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 also checks out. Harrison49 (talk) 23:01, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

We are told that the "equilibrium temperature of the planet varies between 300 K and 600 K" (27 to 327 C so ostensibly either side of boiling point of water as we know it), but if I remember my O level physics, boiling point depends of temperature and pressure: without data about atmospheric pressure on the planet, the temperature range means nothing in terms of volatility of putative liquids. Kevin McE (talk) 23:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Kevin McE if this is original research. However, if cited that should be fine. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Love the hook; agree with Crisco. Tony (talk) 13:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The hook is taken from a part of the discovery paper on page 6. --Starstriker7 15:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• As this hook is now a double-nom, please review a second candidate. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 19:55, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  A second candidate has been reviewed. --Starstriker7 15:16, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Where's the diff? I only see one. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Haha, my apologies...The diff is here. I reviewed Brandon Crawford. --Starstriker7 23:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go. Cheers! Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Returned from preps because of a very awkward WP:CRYSTAL formulation. It is not appropriate to speculate on existence of water (which implies life) only to indicate the temperature fluctuations. You probably wanted to say the same as in "that because of the elongated orbit the maximum surface temperature of the extrasolar planet HD 205739 b is thought to vary by about 100 °C?", but that hook was in the next prep, and featuring them in a row would be a bad taste. Materialscientist (talk) 03:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

It is inappropriate for us to speculate. From the source linked above: "If water is present in

the atmosphere of HD 154672b, it could transition between gaseous and liquid phases along the planet’s orbit," on page six. It is not definite, but it is also not original research. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Depends on degree of speculation, its author and purpose. That hyperbolic speculation is launched there merely to illustrate the predicted variation of surface temperature (weak claim). However, existence of water implies existence of life (strong claim, WP:REDFLAG) and can't be accepted as is, IMO. Note that this speculation is only mentioned in passing in the Discussion of the article. Putting it forward as a DYK hook would be WP:UNDUE. Materialscientist (talk) 07:36, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, I guess we could do a standard temperature variation hook, but it would lose a lot of the interest factor. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:33, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 26

The Bubble (Parks and Recreation)

• ... that comedian Dana Gould made a cameo appearance in "The Bubble", a third season episode of the comedy series Parks and Recreation?

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 18:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed William Thompson (journalist) — Hunter Kahn 19:01, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Citation and article checks out, but could use some context as to who Dana Gould is - I suggest amending the hook to: ALT1: ... that comedian and former Parks and Recreation producer Dana Gould made a cameo appearance in "The Bubble", a third season episode? Miyagawa (talk) 21:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
  • The alt is fine by me. Thanks! — Hunter Kahn 14:25, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• My reaction is "so what?", unless you can insert something that makes it interesting, unusual, punchy. Tony (talk) 07:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I had trouble coming up with anything particular sexy for this DYK. I thought the Gould one could be of interest since Gould himself has a fanbase separate from the show itself. I will see if I can come up with something better. In the meantime, however, the Gould one is accurate and checks out, right? — Hunter Kahn 16:53, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Edward H. Harte

• ... that the American newspaper executive, journalist, philanthropist, and conservationist Edward H. Harte established in 2000 the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies which helped after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill?

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, size, hook in text check out. Minor quibble: the hook sentence is not supporter by a ref. The next sentence is, but this indicates the density of refs in the article falls below one per sentence, and at the very least, the hook sentence needs a direct cite. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 14:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Doubled ref im question, suggest

ALT1:... that the American newspaper executive, journalist, philanthropist, and conservationist Edward H. Harte established in 2000 the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies at the TAMU-CC with a 46 million dollar endowment? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Interest level of hook is low. Surely there's something more catchy in the article. Who is going to know what "TAMU-CC" is (looks like a copyright-free licence). You don't want people to divert to that link-target; they'll never come back. Isn't it enough, here, to say just "Texax A&M University"? Could you shorten to "US" and ""? Brevity is good. Tony (talk) 08:06, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT2:... that the American newspaper executive, journalist, philanthropist, and conservationist Edward H. Harte established at the Texax A&M University the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies which helped after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• It's way too long, I'm afraid. The 200-ch. limit is treated strictly, is it? Also, it goes into blue-carpet mode. What does it mean by "helped after"? Use "US" to save ch., and remove at least two of the professional words at the opening? Just keep the most important—they'll find out more in the article. Also, "established at the A the B is a bit awkward. Do we have to mention both institutions in full? ... that the US newspaper executive Edward H. Harte established a research institute at the Texax A&M University dedicated to ????? after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill? Tony (talk) 15:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Please explain blue-carpet? English isn't my first language. Back then to a modified ALT1, although $s seem less catchy to me than oil spill (I didn't name the institution, nor the Bach cantatas). I dropped the philanthropist for shortening, what do you think? If it's still too long we might drop conservationist also, because the hook shows him as one. Please correct the figure, I'm not at all familiar with that.

ALT3:... that the American newspaper executive, journalist, and conservationist Edward H. Harte established in 2000 the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies at the Texax A&M University with a US$46M endowment? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

It's 209 ch. You don't need journalist, do you? And US can go from $ ... clearly not Hong Kong dollars. Try

ALT4:... that in 2000 the American newspaper executive and conservationist Edward H. Harte established the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies at the Texas A&M University with a $46M endowment? Tony (talk) 07:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC) PS I fixed the x typo. Tony (talk) 07:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, helpful! (I misunderstood "US" in your comment above.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• US is now the preferred way of the peak Chicago Manual of Style (16th ed., major announcement). You can use the dots if you want, but it will take up more space. Are you saying you endorse ALT4? If so, I'll tick it (since that seems to be important at DYK). Tony (talk) 10:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

• Believe it or not, there's a section of the MOS that discusses when to use "U.S." versus "US" to abbreviate "United States" at Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style#Abbreviations. OCNative (talk) 10:43, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT4 is suggested (not sure what endorse means). But may be we should say U.S. American, America is so much greater than the US part. However, people seem to say America if they mean the US, right? Thanks for cleaning up the article which is not mine! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Warqenah Eshate

• ... that after being carried away from Ethiopia by British solders of the 1868 Expedition to Abyssinia, upon returning 32 years later Warqenah Eshate was recognized by his grandmother, who identified scars on his arms and legs hidden under his clothing?

Created by Llywrch (talk). Self nom at 06:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hook is over 200 characters w/o spaces, over 240 w/ spaces.--NortyNort (Holla) 09:57, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• I felt that the hook was as short as I could make it without risking lack of comprehension; if the hook can be rewritten to make it snappier, I'd appreciate the help. Otherwise, I don't know what to make of this comment: does that mean the hook otherwise would pass -- or fail? (I would think that a real-life example of the literary theme of recognition, which is as old as Homer's Odyssey & the myth of Oedipus & has been evoked more recently in the movie Sommersby, for example, would be interesting. But if my judgment is wrong here, I will happily move on.) -- llywrch (talk) 20:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• How about the first Ethiopian with a medical education? Do you have an online source for that by the way? In the History of Ethiopia, pp. 170 (191) it states he was put in charge of reforming feudal slavery along with some other pointers as well.--NortyNort (Holla) 03:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Put the subject's name closer to the opening. It lacks the context that will make it interesing. I'm still struggling to stay awake. Tony (talk) 15:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Llywrch, I'm trying to help, and you must have been offended to have left a complaint on my talk-page. Perhaps I was a little blunt, unintentionally. Please let's work on this hook and get it running. Tony (talk) 09:55, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

• I have a suggested rewording of the hook:

• ALT1 ... that when Warqenah Eshate returned to Ethiopia 32 years after being carried away by British solders, his grandmother recognized him by examining scars on his arms and legs? --Orlady (talk) 16:34, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Animation Council of the Philippines, Inc. and Animahenasyon

• … that the ACPI-sponsored Animahenasyon is an annual animation festival in the Philippines?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:54, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed the article: Charles A. Lindbergh Chair in Aerospace History - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
• I also reviewed the article: Titanic Engineers' Memorial, Southampton - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
• I reviewed another article: Jetsun Pema (Bhutan) - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Forgot to mention that above is a double nom. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Lacks the context to make it interesting as a stand-alone. ACPI needs to be spelled out (maybe then you can remove the last three words of the hook?). "annual animation" is a jingle (an an). Not sure the focus of interest is there, anyway. Is it the only one in SEAsia, or a significant one in the world? Tony (talk) 09:58, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that the Animation Council of the Philippines, Inc. is the sponsor of the yearly animation festival in the Philippines? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:18, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT 2: ... that the Animation Council of the Philippines, Inc. sponsors the yearly festival that features the works of Filipino animators? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:27, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Palestine Railways H class

• ... that the last standard gauge steam locomotive in use in Israel was a Palestine Railways H class 4-6-0 (pictured) that Baldwin Locomotive Works built for the British army's Palestine Military Railway in 1920 and Israel Railways withdrew in 1960?

Created by Motacilla (talk). Self nom at 01:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Where is the new article Palestine Railways H class in the hook? The hook is linked to "Palestine Railways#Palestine Military Railway|Palestine Military Railway". Need action please. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Good point - sorry! I've now revised the wording (see above). Is this better?

I forgot to use the template that includes an image. The article has a photo; how can I add it to the nomination retrospectively? The photo will not be very clear when reduced to tDYK humbnail size but it should be recognisable as an old steam train at an old station. Also the sepia colour of the print would emphasise the sense of age. Motacilla (talk) 11:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Added the photo. Just see how I laid it down above. Bolded the topic in your modified/tweaked hook. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:22, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! This should help me to remember to use the correct nomination template in future! Motacilla (talk) 18:53, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I do like this hook but as a general rule, shorter and clearer is better. Perhaps "... that the last standard gauge steam locomotive in use in Israel was a Palestine Railways H class 4-6-0 (pictured) originally built for the British army's Palestine Military Railway?" would work? Ed  08:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• (e.c.) Origianl too long (248 ch.); photo useless at that size. Please unlink "British Army". Cluttered, and I don't quite get the point of the hook. Ed's is 187 ch and much better. Tony (talk) 16:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Nadira Isayeva

• ... that Russian journalist Nadira Isayeva called her 2010 trial "a test for the institution of press freedom" in Dagestan?

• ALT1... that the prosecution of Russian journalist Nadira Isayeva was built primarily on psychological and linguistic examinations?

Reviewed:Volkswagen Chattanooga Assembly Plant

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 06:32, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Both refs 1 and 5 for both hooks verified and seems reliable. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Tweaked ALT1 just now, but I prefer the original hook in any case. Khazar (talk) 04:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Rose Bay Secondary College

• ... that a number of highly gifted primary school (elementary school) aged students attend Rose Bay Secondary College for a day a week across a school term to undertake advanced studies in a number of areas?

5x expanded by Danjel (talk). Self nom at 13:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• With thanks to User:Kudpung for copyediting the final draft.
• DYK Check seems to be inaccurately reporting the expansion (at least here). So, to make sure... The previous edit was: Prose size (text only): 1263 characters (204 words); the new version is: Prose size (text only): 8978 characters (1448 words). -danjel (talk to me) 13:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Islanding ] and Charles Edward Keyser ]. -danjel (talk to me) 14:24, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 27

Total Recall (2012 film)

• ... that there is an upcoming science-fiction action film called Total Recall that is based on the short story We Can Remember It For You Wholesale by Philip K. Dick and the 1990 film of the same name?

Created by Rusted AutoParts (talk). Nominated by Jhenderson777 (talk) at 00:40, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Simplify that: ALT1:

• ... that the upcoming 2012 science-fiction action film Total Recall and the 1990 film of the same name are based on the short story We Can Remember It For You Wholesale by Philip K. Dick?

Hooks are based on the content, not the readers knowledge of the existence of the principle. Kevin McE (talk) 12:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

That will do. I was in kind of a hurry then to get off the internet when doing this. So I wasn't probably thinking of the best format for the hook.:) Jhenderson 23:24, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Changed "upcoming" to 2012 and copyedited.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:22, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

The article has roughly 900 words, and so needs roughly 600 more to be eligible. The article is well sourced, however the previously stated claim that it was based on both the earlier film and the Dick short story may be synthetic OR: There is only a short statement that the film not based only on the short story, and there is another statement that a character from the earlier film appears in the 2012 film (without a statement that the character does not appear in the short story).  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:29, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

WASP-13b

• ... that extrasolar planet WASP-13b's low mass is most likely attributed to the planetary core's low-to-nonexistent mass?

5x expanded by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 02:24, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Argentina at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, South Africa at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, Australia at the 1972 Summer Paralympics --Starstriker7 02:34, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Comment: a core can't have non-existent mass. The claim is that there may be no core. — kwami (talk) 10:15, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

In which case the centre of the planet is a vacuum: was this really in a scientific publication of some repute? Kevin McE (talk) 12:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

No, they mean there is no differentiated rocky or metallic core, as we think there is in Jupiter. That is, just (liquified) gas all the way down, like a star, with no denser material at the center. Or not much of a core at the center. — kwami (talk) 19:34, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1:... that extrasolar planet WASP-13b's low mass is most likely attributed to a core of very low mass, or to the total lack of a core? --Starstriker7 15:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

low overall mass is attributed to ...? Tony (talk) 11:30, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

We don't need to discuss the relative possibility of attribution: is probably due to or is attributed to. As soon as we read a scientist's opinion, we know for a fact that it is attributed to (by one person at least). Kevin McE (talk) 12:29, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Phonon noise

• ... that phonon noise is a major source of noise in a cryogenically cooled superconducting transition edge sensor?

Created by Teply (talk). Self nom at 01:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• All checks out. Has a non-DYK issue in that the article is currently an orphan. Done my best to de-orphan but only managed to add one link as I don't understand physics enough to work out where else it should be linked from. Miyagawa (talk) 11:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Argentina at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, South Africa at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, Australia at the 1972 Summer Paralympics

• ... that Argentina, South Africa and Australia were all southern hemisphere countries which sent teams 1972 Summer Paralympics?

Created by Doh5678 (talk). Self nom at 00:57, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviwed: Mel Mazzera

Argentina: Newness, length, and referencing check out. An article has been reviewed. My only note is that Argentina's portion of the hook, where it sent a delegation, is not directly cited anywhere in the article.

South Africa: Same issue as with Argentina.

Australia: Same issue as with both Argentina and South Africa. Once the beginning portion of each article, where it states that they did indeed send delegations, is directly cited, these three should be good to go. --Starstriker7 02:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

All three are covered by the source in the second sentence saying how many athletes were in the delegation (and for that matter any of the source in the articles which show results for athletes at the Games). Unless you're worried about the word delegation itsel;f in which case you'd be lucky to find a source and perhaps "team" or "athletes" would be a more appropriate choice - Basement12 (T.C) 12:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Done. Doh5678 Talk 21:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Corrected hook from "sent a team" to "sent teams", the three teams were separate - Basement12 (T.C) 22:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm struggling to find the focus of interest. So what if three countries sent teams to this paralympics event? Is there possibly an interest factor in that all three are in the Southern Hemisphere? Or that it was the first time for any of them? Tony (talk) 11:33, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Adjusted hook accordingly. Doh5678 Talk 18:25, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I was unsure about the hook to begin with but as I wanted it to go forward stood back but I have to admit that I'm not sure it's at all interesting. Even adding the southern hemisphere bit what about Peru at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, New Zealand at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, Rhodesia at the 1972 Summer Paralympics and Kenya at the 1972 Summer Paralympics? Personally I'd suggest different hooks for each article as the way forward. Sorry to throw a spanner in the works - Basement12 (T.C) 19:20, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

If I did what you suggest I should do, would I have to 5x expand the article or would something else happen? Doh5678 Talk 23:10, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Not sure exactly what you're asking there - to swap this one three article nom for three separate ones all you'd need to do is pick an interesting fact from each article as they stand. To add in the other nations I mentioned then yes those would need expanding - Basement12 (T.C) 15:02, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

George Tyler Wood

• ... that Texas Governor George Tyler Wood (pictured) resigned his elected office at the beginning of the Mexican-American War to command a military unit?

• Reviewed: Eurypterus ()

5x expanded by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 09:44, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• - 5x expansion verified, date ok, but the hook needs an inline citation. --Eisfbnore  16:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Redundant citation added for reviewer unable to understand how two contiguous sentences can be sourced to a single citation. --Allen3  17:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Please refrain from such personal attacks. I know perfectly well that multiple sentences, even a whole paragraph can be supported with one cite. However, the ref should also be cited immediatly after the hook sentence whilst the article is on the Main Page. You can of course remove it when the DYK is over. Cheers. --Eisfbnore  19:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Shouldn't it be Senator Wood rather than Governor Wood? He resigned as Senator to command the unit. He didn't become Governor until after his military service (granted immediately after, but still after). OCNative (talk) 13:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Agree with OCN: there was no Governor GT Wood before the Mexican-American war. Suggest ... that George Tyler Wood, later Governor of Texas, resigned his seat on the Texas Senate at the beginning of the Mexican-American War to command a military unit? Kevin McE (talk) 21:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The problem with this change is that members of legislatures (i.e. one of many resigning) resigning during a time of war to join the military is a fairly common occurrence, and thus generates a rather mundane hook fact in comparison to the resignation of a chief executive. As reviewers appear unwilling to use initial hook then I would suggest ALT2: ... that the campaign of George Tyler Wood (pictured) for Governor of Texas was aided by Isaac Van Zandt dying from yellow fever? --Allen3  21:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

We could still catch the spirit of the original hook (and spice it up a little), with this ALT:
ALT3:... that George Tyler Wood resigned from the Texas Senate at the beginning of the Mexican-American War to command a military unit but was elected Governor of Texas at the end of that same war? OCNative (talk) 09:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Please see User:Rjanag/DYK mantra for an explanation as to why run on suggestions like ALT3 make bad hooks. --Allen3  11:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 28

2010 in women's ice hockey

• ... that in 2010 in women's ice hockey, the Minnesota Whitecaps became the first women's ice hockey team from the United States to claim the Clarkson Cup?

Created by Maple_Leaf (Maple_Leaf). Self nom, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Hook length okay, but nominator needs to review one himself. Also, his second DYK nom (below) for this same article needs to be moved up here as an ALT. Nominator notified.Schmidt, 03:44, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

• For clarification, these two nominations are not the same article. This one is 2010 while the one below is for 2011. OCNative (talk) 04:33, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

2011 in women's ice hockey

• ... that in 2011 in women's ice hockey, Hilary Knight scored the game-winning goal as the United States defeated Canada in a 3-2 overtime in the gold-medal game at the IIHF World Women’s Championships?

Created by Maple_Leaf (Maple_Leaf). Self nom, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Hook length okay, but nominator needs to review one himself. Also, this is his second DYK nom for this same article and needs to be moved up above as an ALT. Nominator notified. Schmidt, 03:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

• For clarification, these two nominations are not the same article. This one is 2011 while the one above is for 2010. OCNative (talk) 04:33, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Wildlife of Djibouti

• ... that the medicinal plant khat (pictured), endemic to Djibouti, is chewed by 90% of the men and its effect is a state of euphoria?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Tibetan Prayer (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 03:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• This nom has already been promoted, with an awkward hook. This hook is more interesting. Thus returned previous hook from preps and suggest to run another round of review. Materialscientist (talk) 03:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• The hook suggested now is fine with me.--Nvvchar. 04:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

It seems odd to describe something that causes coronary vasoconstriction, myocardial infarction, depression, paranoia, anxiety, irritation, sleeping difficulties, impotence, gastrointestinal tract problems, and oral cancer as a medicinal plant. It is a psychotropic social drug. Kevin McE (talk) 11:42, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I never heard of khat before reading 2 pages about it last night in an online book. I used the phrase medicinal plant as the hook's references comes from the book entitled: Handbook of African medicinal plants. I'll offer up an alt, removing "medicinal plant", but note that I also have no objection to sticking with Nvv's original hook, which I was unaware of when I nom'ed the article last night. ALT1: ... that khat (pictured), endemic to Djibouti, is chewed by 90% of the men and one of its effects is a state of euphoria? --Rosiestep (talk) 13:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• The 90% bit is the focus of interest: extraordinary. Hook is overlinked; at least unlink the dictionary word "euphoria". I've tweaked it. ALT2: ... that khat (pictured), which induces a state of euphoria and is endemic to Djibouti, is chewed by 90% of the men? Tony (talk) 13:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

appr ALT2, though I think it's ok to link euphoria. BarkingMoon (talk) 15:38, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Ali Salem

• ... that Civil Courage Prize laureate Ali Salem was ostracized by the Egyptian intellectual community following a 1994 book in which he promoted peace with Israel?

Reviewed: Hamill (film)

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 19:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length just about right without spaces. Date and hook references verified. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 11:23, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

List of common English usage misconceptions

• ... that many sentences in "first-rate writing" begin with conjunctions such as "and" or "but"?

• ALT1:... that professionally printed books, magazines, and newspapers use only a single space between sentences?
• ALT2:... that there's nothing wrong with ending a sentence with a preposition?

Created by Airborne84 (talk). Self nom at 19:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hooks, length, respective refs, and date seems all worth the review to me, but the topic needs to be bolded at the lead. - AnakngAraw (talk) 13:06, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, this is my first try at a DYK nom. Perhaps these will work? Or perhaps the bolded wikilink should read: "common English usage misconception"?

• ... that it is a common misconception that the conjunctions "and" and "but" cannot begin a sentence?
• ALT3:... that it is a common misconception that professionally printed books, magazines, and newspapers use two spaces between sentences?
• ALT4:... that it is a common misconception that a sentence cannot end with a preposition? --Airborne84 (talk) 22:39, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Seems ok to me as previously mentioned above. The topic is now bolded in article. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I like the previous alts 1 and 2, so numbered the latest hook versions as 3 and 4 respectively. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

In ALT 3, it is not a misconception that professional publications use double spacing: it is a misconception that such publications must or always use double spacing. By the same token, the word some would need to be inserted before professionally in ALT1 Kevin McE (talk) 14:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• First hook is ambiguous: "tsk tsk, look what those first-rate writers do? ALT1 same problem. ALT2 is OK, but a bit hackneyed. ALT3 "with ... with". ALT4 "that ... that" (remove the first). Tony (talk) 15:48, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't want to overwrite the text above, so I'll repost the modified versions below; that way the earlier versions are visible above. I deleted ALT 3 as it was redundant and added ALT 4.

• ... it is a common misconception that the conjunctions "and" and "but" cannot begin a sentence?

• ALT1:... it is a common misconception that professionally printed books, magazines, and newspapers use two spaces between sentences?
• ALT2:... that there's nothing wrong with ending a sentence with a preposition?

Created by Airborne84 (talk). Self nom at 19:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT3:... it is a common misconception that a sentence cannot end with a preposition?
• ALT4:... it is a common misconception that infinitives cannot be split?

For ALT 1, I tried to stay true to the misconception as related by the author at Type Desk. --Airborne84 (talk) 17:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT 5 ... that a preposition is something that a sentence can end with?

ALT 6 ... that it is not necessarily wrong to, in written English, split an infinitive? Kevin McE (talk) 13:53, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Well done! --Airborne84 (talk) 16:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree, vote ALT6 for humor value. Khazar (talk) 03:59, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT 7 ... that, in written English, it is not necessarily wrong to split an infinitive? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Maybe ALT 7 is a better version of ALT 6? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I think it's a better version. ALT 6 is more "in your face" and more people may see the humor, but is a bit halting. The split in ALT 7 is more subtle and will be recognized by fewer people, but the prose flows smoother (IMHO). --Airborne84 (talk) 05:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Of my two suggestions, I prefer ALT5: couldn't find a natural sounding way of splitting the infinitive. Maybe the subtlety eludes me: in what way is ALT 7 an example of splitting the infinitive? Kevin McE (talk) 12:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC).

My mistake. It's not a split infinitive. I just like the wording.

Any of the hooks above seem fine, but the ones with the most interest seem to be those about the prepositions and the split infinitives. --Airborne84 (talk) 01:22, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Omar Belhouchet

• ... that in 1993, the car of Algerian journalist Omar Belhouchet was machine-gunned while he was driving his children to school?

Reviewed:Argentina at the 1964 Summer Paralympics

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 06:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• All seems to check out OK. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 08:55, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Modeste Mutinga

• ... that Modeste Mutinga won an international prize for his journalism before being elected to the Senate of the Democratic Republic of the Congo?

Reviewed: Luis Durango

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 04:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:10, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Luis Durango

• ... that in 2006, San Diego Padres outfielder Luis Durango (pictured) was timed running from home plate to first base in 3.4 seconds?

• Reviewed: Albie Grant

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 03:49, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I know this shouldn't be next in line, but I can't resist the baseball ones. Date, length, hook ref all good to go. Very nice expansion, and good hook. Kudos! Khazar (talk) 04:40, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Splendid image. Perhaps this should be a lead hook. - AnakngAraw (talk) 10:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Ignorant question from someone who knows nothing about baseball: how far is it between the home plate and second base? Apterygial 10:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

90 feet. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, but my point is that this should be in the hook, because it's essentially meaningless to someone who doesn't follow baseball. Apterygial 11:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

FWIW, I disagree. Those who want to learn more about the rules of American baseball can click on the link for first base; trying to add them in here would make the hook pretty clunky. In any case, I think it's pretty clear this is a "good" time, or it wouldn't be on a list like this. Cheers, Khazar (talk) 16:03, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that in 2006, San Diego Padres outfielder Luis Durango (pictured) was timed running the 90 feet (27 m) from home plate to first base in 3.4 seconds? Apterygial 11:14, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

If this is the fastest time recorded, then we should say so: if not, it needs some context for the reader to make some sense of it. I cycled around a circuit of local villages in 61minutes 37 seconds yesterday: is that remarkable? Kevin McE (talk) 12:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe it;s the fastest ever, but it is still very impressive and interesting, in my mind.Giants27(T|C) 18:53, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'd argue that the context is that he's running from home to first in a major-league baseball game, whereas your cycling probably wasn't part of an official event known to hundreds of millions of readers. Though not the record holder, the guy's time is almost a full second above a lot of MLB players, but it's a bit tendentious to say something like "7.4 seconds faster than Albert Pujols" without that being in the original source. Nor is it quite right so just give the distance (90 ft.) since you have to get rid of the bat first--the stat measures time out of the batter's box, too, I believe. So in short, I see your point, but I'd argue that sport ones sometimes just have to stand alone; few sport accomplishments are going to make sense in 200 characters if you're not already familiar with the game. Khazar (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

There is a sense of "If you don't know the context here, we couldn't be bothered to inform you" which I vehemently dislike. Kevin McE (talk) 18:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry if that's how my note came across. Really it's not so much that I think we can't be bothered is that I trust the linking system; a reader who wants to know the rules of baseball can simply click through to it. Beyond that, all I can do is repeat what I've seen other editors point out to you on numerous other hooks, which is that many of us believe that DYK's mission is 1) to encourage editors in the creation of new content and 2) to write engaging hooks for that content. I respect your attention to precision, and I think it's definitely made some hooks on this page better; at the same time I wonder at times if leaving people curt, uncompromising, and invariably negative notes about their grammar and precision is the most valuable contribution to DYK you could be making. It seems like quite a bit of energy and battling for something that's not even part of the article space proper, and for a platform that was designed to be promote and encourage content. All that said, if you have a suggested ALT for the above, let's hear it, and if other editors would prefer it, that's good by me. In lieu of that, either Apertygial's ALT or the original look fine to me. (Sorry, Apertygial, that I missed that in focusing on Kevin's note earlier). Either way I'll bow out of this one. Khazar (talk) 22:41, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

La Esmeralda Dam

• ... that La Esmeralda Dam supplies 8% of Colombia's power demand?

Created/self-nom--NortyNort (Holla) 07:03, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Hara hachi bu

• Look good to go. Ben MacDui 15:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

R v Baillie

• ... that Thomas Erskine's speech in the case of R v Baillie earned him a standing ovation? Credit to myself and User:Fluffernutter. Reviewed Kafka's Soup. Ironholds (talk) 01:47, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Date, length good to go; well-referenced and researched piece from the look of it; offline hook source accepted IGF. Nice piece. Khazar (talk) 05:24, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Qatar at the 2010 Asian Para Games

• ... that Qatar at the 2010 Asian Para Games had only male athletes to take part in this inaugural Asian Para Games?

• ALT1:... that Qatar sent only male athletes to the inaugural Asian Para Games?
• ALT2:... that Qatar was one of the three nations that sent only male athletes to the inaugural Asian Para Games?

Created by Bill william compton (talk). Self nom at 04:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Whichever blurb is preferred, the the before Qatar is redundant: only ALT1, even after that, is grammatically sound, and then the preposition should be to rather than in. Article looks very much like a translation, or the output of a non-native English speaker: I've had a bit of a go at improving the English in it, but others might want a look.

Yes, I'm not a native English speaker, so sometimes make such grammatical errors, sorry for that; also this article was made in hurry, because I just have too much on my plate at the moment. Is there any other problem? — Bill william compton 13:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 29

Michael McFaul

• ... that US Ambassador to Russia nominee Michael McFaul was denounced by a member of the Russian Parliament days before someone shot a bullet through his Stanford University office window?

• Reviewed: Law of Wihtred ()

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 12:12, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Paul Kromer

• ... that Paul Kromer and Tom Harmon formed a backfield duo for the 1938 Michigan Wolverines football team that became known as the "Touchdown Twins"?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 01:03, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 10:25, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Wardah Hafidz

• ... that Gwangju Prize for Human Rights winner Wardah Hafidz was evicted after disclosing that numerous groups had used social security funds for "money politics"?

Created by Khazar (talk), Crisco 1492 (talk). Nominated by Crisco 1492 (talk) at 09:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Review to follow. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Reviewed: John Weir (loyalist) diff. Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Imitation of Christ

• ... that the ideal of the Imitation of Christ, has been an important element of both Christian ethics and spirituality?

5 x expanded by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 5:41, June 1 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed (other article reviewed by nominator): Gita Dhyanam just below. History2007 (talk) 12:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: Here is the G-books link to verify the hook. History2007 (talk) 12:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Length and date are both fine, great expansion there. The hook is ok, but it is slightly overlinked and rather basic. Suggest ALT1... that while Saint Francis of Assisi advocated a path of poverty as the Imitation of Christ, Thomas à Kempis presented a path based on a focus on the interior life? Qrsdogg (talk) 18:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually to be correct the alt would need to differentiate on outward preaching not poverty. Like Francis, Kempis was no Donald Trump look alike, but Kempis did not advocate active preaching, while Francis did. So that may be a little bit too complicated to explain in a DYK-telegram. And the reason I did not bring Kempis into the hook was that his book is so well known, and the idea of Imitation pre-dated him - that was why I started on the expansion path a few days ago, just to clarify that the ideal pre-dated Kempis. History2007 (talk) 20:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

As ALT2 we could try:

... that the ideal of the Imitation of Christ goes back to the earliest days of Christianity?

That may be easier to say in one sentence, and not controversial. And it will also echo the message of the article that "the ideal of imitation existed long before the 14th century" and the Devotio Moderna movement, etc.History2007 (talk) 20:32, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT2 works, although it isn't too surprising. Tough to find something real interesting yet accurate here. Qrsdogg (talk) 14:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, let us go with ALT2. But on a topic as ancient as this, if it is surprising, then there will be 17 people with 37 different angles on it. And once it is controversial, then the debates about the accuracy of the statement start. But in my experience many people associate the idea with Kempis (because his book has over 1,000 editions and is so widely read) and are unaware of the history of the topic before him. That was the reason for writing the page in the first place. Anyway, time to move on. Thanks for your input. History2007 (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Brian Dallimore

• ... that after playing nine seasons in the minor leagues and being labelled a journeyman, Brian Dallimore made his Major League debut as a 30-year-old and hit a grand slam for his first major league hit?

• Reviewed: Claiming exemption, this only my 2nd DYK nomination.

Created by Bagumba (talk). Self nom at 09:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

You are assuming that the reader will know which sport this jargon belongs to. There are vast swathes of the world in which knowledge of baseball (and I only know that that is the sport in question because I can see the link destinations) is near zero. Kevin McE (talk) 12:19, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Interestingly you don't apply this to non-U.S. sport related ones. Can a English-speaking Chinese understand the hook at Robert Ramsay (cricketer), George Nash (cricketer)? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 16:03, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

That English speaking Chinese person will know that cricket is being discussed, because it says that professional cricketer George Nash ...: there was no such clue in this hook initially. Thanks to Baguma, there is now. Kevin McE (talk) 12:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Updated and specified "baseball" in "Major League Baseball":

ALT1 ... that after playing nine seasons in the minor leagues and being labelled a journeyman, Brian Dallimore made his Major League Baseball debut as a 30-year-old and hit a grand slam for his first major league hit? —Bagumba (talk) 18:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

John Weir (loyalist)

• ... that Royal Ulster Constabulary officer John Weir, who was convicted of a sectarian killing, had once considered joining the Irish Garda Siochana?

• Reviewed: Stephen Fry

Created by Jeanne boleyn (talk). Self nom at 07:30, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. Length and date check out. Assuming good faith on the offline source. Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Papyrus 49

• ... that according to German theologian Kurt Aland, Papyrus 49 (pictured) is one of three early manuscripts with the text of the Epistle to the Ephesians?

• Reviewed: Codex Vindobonensis 751 ()

5x expanded by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 00:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Papyrus 49 (pictured) was produced by the same scribe as Papyrus 65?

• Before expansion it had 1099 characters in prose, now it has over 5900. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 00:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Aland is an autonomous region of Finland, and is unlikely to have an authoritative viewpoint on biblical manuscripts. according to German theologian Kurt Aland, Papyrus 49 is one of three....

In ALT 1, the article only suggests that it is probable according to one scholar that the two documents have the same scribe: that is not an absolute assertion of fact. Kevin McE (talk) 12:32, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I should expand this article. Hatch, Welles and other palaeographers also believed that scribe was the same. Thanks. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 23:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I have added more details to the article. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 19:41, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Codex Vindobonensis 751

• ... that the ninth-century Codex Vindobonensis 751 contains a selection of the correspondence of Saint Boniface, as well as a mysterious palindrome and the oldest English poetic proverb?

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 20:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Bridge of Remembrance, Christchurch, below. I hope to have an image of the palindrome in the next two days. Drmies (talk) 20:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 00:20, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Angel Delgadillo

• ... that Angel Delgadillo helped inspire the film Cars and has been called the "guardian angel of Route 66"?

• Reviewed: Enlil and Ninlil

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 19:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• BarkingMoon (talk) 01:47, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Enlil and Ninlil

• ... that the setting of Nippur in the Sumerian creation myth of Enlil and Ninlil has been noted as "civitas dei", existing before the "axis mundi" and the creation of man?

Created by Paul Bedson (talk). Self nom at 17:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Nueva Cádiz Paul Bedson

• Well, it all checks out but the source is in Spanish so I'll assume good faith there. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for reviewing! I have improved the source "Miguel Ángel Borrás; Centre de Cultura Contemporània de Barcelona (2000). Joan Goodnick Westenholz, The Foundation Myths of Mesopotamian Cities, Divine Planners and Human Builder in La fundación de la ciudad: mitos y ritos en el mundo antiguo. Edicions UPC. pp. 48–. ISBN 9788483013878. Retrieved 29 May 2011." so it is clearer that Joan Westenholz discusses this in an English chapter of a Spanish book. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 21:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

The Earthstopper

• ... that the bankrupt dandy "Champagne Charlie" sold his inheritance including the painting Earthstopper on the banks of the Derwent (detail pictured)?

Created/expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 15:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

reviewed Carex hirta Victuallers (talk) 14:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date verified. Hook's ref requires paid subscription so accepted AGF. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:34, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Debate between Winter and Summer

• ... that Samuel Noah Kramer noted the Debate between Winter and Summer (scene(s) of seasons pictured) "is the closest extant Sumerian parallel to the Biblical Cain and Abel story" in the Book of Genesis (Genesis 4:1–16)?

Created by Paul Bedson (talk). Self nom at 15:09, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed #Merkantilt biografisk leksikon Paul Bedson (talk) 15:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC) Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 16:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Hook's ok; article is not. "it's" ... please. Ellipsis points are three dots, not six, spaced left and right. The images seem to be trivial. Isn't there a better image of ancient Sumeria or an artefact from there? Tried Commons? Tony (talk) 15:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed the Ellipsis and "it's". The images reflect Summer and Winter, the subject of the myth. I agree Summer alone appears trivial for the context of DYK?, so I've added winter as well (if Blofeld is going to have 2 images with his Wildlife of Tanzania, I feel I can too). This fits in with the Debate series where two images represent the disputants, I think they look great in series this way and these particular two conjure images of Winter and Summer pretty well, which I feel is appropriate in an ancient short story where natural phenomena are so personified, why shouldn't they be imaged? The stock Sumerian tablet or cuneiform images are certainly not as colourful. There is another good "summer winter" single image if you search commons although this doesn't fit with the other debates in the series, I guess it could be used if space is a premium. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 16:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• I've added the combo image as an alternative if needed along with specifying how one or both should be related in text. Hopefully this will help with review (hint hint) Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 00:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Nueva Cádiz

• ... that the Venezuelan port town Nueva Cádiz, one of the first settlements in the Americas, was destroyed in 1541 by a hurricane or earthquake?

Created by Bender235 (talk). Self nom at 12:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Dates and hook are ok. Length is too short, only c. 450 characters. Needs to be 1500. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 16:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Expanded. Enough? --bender235 (talk) 09:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

No, it roughly needs 241 more characters to be eligible for DYK. Date is okay. Diego Grez (talk) 01:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Carra Castle, Antrim

• ... that Carra Castle was once occupied by Shane O'Neill who held Sorley Boy McDonnell as a prisoner there in 1565, and the McDonnell's later got their revenge by beheading O'Neill at the same castle during festivities?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 10:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Miguel GonzálezTibetan Prayer 10:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 12:24, 30 May 2011(UTC)

• Presumably he was held there, not here. Suggest same either after, or instead of very. Kevin McE (talk) 14:29, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Made the Kevin McE recommended wording tweaks to the hook. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Miguel González

• ... that Chilean politician Miguel González (pictured) has been candidate in two municipal elections in Pichilemu, but has not been elected in any of them?

Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 00:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed #Beauty (dog) Diego Grez (talk) 01:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks satisfactory.Tibetan Prayer 10:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

That's a very underwhelming hook: how many thousands of candidates for minor parties fail to get elected in local elections twice? Kevin McE (talk) 14:34, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I doubt the Party for Democracy is a minor party, but well... I think I'll expand this a bit more later, and I'll suggest another hook. Diego Grez (talk) 20:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

61st FIFA Congress

• ... that at the 61st FIFA Congress Sepp Blatter is the sole candidate for the FIFA presidency?

Created by Gareth E Kegg (talk). Self nom at 23:19, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• I am not seeing a source for the "sole candidate" claim. --Elonka 06:53, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Fixed. This is getting a lot of coverage now :) Gareth E Kegg (talk) 17:31, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• The source is good, thanks, but by the time that this gets approved for DYK, it's all going to be old news, since the vote is supposed to take place on Wednesday. Can we come up with a hook that's not time-sensitive? --Elonka 00:45, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

"... that the opening ceremony of the 61st FIFA Congress featured Grace Jones, a Hammered dulcimer player, ballet and a juggler?" Hope you like it :) The page got 1.3k views today! In the news candidate? Gareth E Kegg (talk) 23:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Recommend we wait until the Congress is over, and then pick one of the notable events from within it? It'll probably be a couple weeks before this shows up on the mainpage, so we can pick a good retrospect hook. BTW, length and date of article both check out, it's just the hook we need to decide on. --Elonka 18:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Juliusz Karol Kunitzer

• ... that Polish-German "cotton king" Juliusz Karol Kunitzer died in the second assassination attempt on his life?

Created by Piotrus (talk), HerkusMonte (talk), MyMoloboaccount (talk). Self nom at 21:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed #16th (Parachute) Field Ambulance)

All checks out, except that "second assassination attempt" isn't cited. What we have is that he was assassinated and that there had been at least one previous attempt: for all we know it could have been the tenth attempt. I think it's just a matter of rewriting the hook, unless a citation for "second" can be added. Moonraker (talk) 19:47, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

All sources note that the 1893 attempt was the first, but I cannot find a crystal clear claim the 1905 was the second. How about the alt below? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that Polish-German "cotton king" Juliusz Karol Kunitzer survived the 1893 assassination attempt on his life, but died during that of 1905?

All checks out for Alt1. Moonraker (talk) 08:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

"On his life" is a bit redundant and clunky. Perhaps reduce to "... that Polish-German "cotton king" Juliusz Karol Kunitzer survived a 1893 assassination attempt, but died during that of 1905?" Nice hook either way, though. Khazar (talk) 05:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

• No objections to shortening. Thanks :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 03:41, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Dizzy Nutter

• ... that, although Dizzy Nutter's professional baseball career lasted eight years, Nutter only played in eighteen Major League games?

5x expanded by Albacore (talk). Self nom at 21:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Fourth DYK, don't need to give a review. Albacore (talk) 21:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
  • While the article technically meets requirements (>5x expansion in the last 5 days, >1500B, and so forth), there is further information that could be added just from Baseball-Reference. Have you tried a Google News or Google Books search in that time period for more information? You'll also need to correct the links in the reference section (either all linked to the Misplaced Pages page on Baseball-Reference or none). — KV5 • Talk • 21:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

16th (Parachute) Field Ambulance

• ... that on 20 November 1943 a wounded Airborne Forces Surgeon carried out over 150 operations?

Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 18:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

reviewed Ballylough 29 May entry. Jim Sweeney (talk) 19:04, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, size check out. But the hook should be changed, to something like the alt below, to avoid confusion. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT: ... that on 20 November 1943 a wounded Airborne Forces Surgeon from the 16th (Parachute) Field Ambulance carried out over 150 operations?

Our readers assume that bolded items appearing in the DYK section might be re-worded for "catchiness" Jim Sweeney (talk) 23:32, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

If required I prefer ALT 3

• ... that on 20 November 1943 a wounded surgeon from the 16th (Parachute) Field Ambulance carried out over 150 operations? Jim Sweeney (talk) 11:10, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• I am not sure if they really assume that. But the new hook is good to go :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

William Thompson (journalist)

• ... that newspaper editor Col. William Thompson won his 1871 shootout with a rival newspaper editor despite sustaining severe gunshot wounds, including a bullet lodged behind his eye, and a beating from a cane?

Created by Jorgenev (talk). Self nom at 18:52, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length check out, offline sources accepted in good faith. — Hunter Kahn 18:54, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

The hook originally had "Col. William Thompson". This should be either "Col. William Thompson" or "Col. William Thompson". I've made it the former, but if you prefer the latter, go ahead and change it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Finn Wischmann

• ... that Norwegian botanist Finn Wischmann wrote more than 45,000 herbarium sheets and 21,000 checklists, recording more than half a million plant discoveries?

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 18:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• • Date, hook and length check out. — Hunter Kahn 18:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: I reviewed Irlo O. Bronson, Sr. below. --Eisfbnore  18:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Irlo Bronson, Sr.

• ... that Irlo Bronson (pictured) conducted the sale of the land that is present-day Walt Disney World?

Created by Connormah (talk). Self nom at 18:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Epsilon II Archaeological Site. Connormah (talk) 18:40, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
• - Length and date check out, but the hook needs an inline cite. --Eisfbnore  18:55, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Done. Connormah (talk) 19:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Looks good then. --Eisfbnore  19:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I assume he is notable for something other than being an (real) estate agent: should the blurb not indicate grounds for notability? Kevin McE (talk) 20:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Bronson served in both houses of the Florida Legislature and he is notable for that. Thank you-RFD (talk) 12:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

In that case ALT1 ... that Irlo Bronson (pictured), who served in both houses of the Florida Legislature, conducted the sale of the land that is present-day Walt Disney World? Otherwise it looks as though we are simply identifying an estate agent. Kevin McE (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Epsilon II Archaeological Site

• ... that Indiana's Epsilon II is a rare example of a well-preserved upland archaeological site from the Archaic period?

5x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• I count 3648 characters in the final version versus 625 before. Reviewed William L. Walsh. Nyttend (talk) 15:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• - Date, length and hook look all good. Connormah (talk) 18:39, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Ballylough

• ... that Ballylough is home to a ruined castle that was once a stronghold of the MacQuillans and the MacDonnells?

5x expanded by Tibetan Prayer (talk). Self nom at 13:54, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

date and x 5 expansion ok Jim Sweeney (talk) 19:01, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Arvid Stålarm the Younger

• ... that the Finland-Swedish admiral Arvid Stålarm was sentenced to death three times, but never actually executed?

• Reviewed: Gerhard Schönbacher ()

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Self nom at 13:53, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hook accepted in good faith.Tibetan Prayer 18:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Merkantilt biografisk leksikon

• ... that the 1935 mercantile encyclopedia Merkantilt biografisk leksikon was scanned and made available online by the Project Runeberg in 2009?

• Reviewed: The Commitment: Love, Sex, Marriage, and My Family

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 12:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length and hook all ok to go. Date of creation is the 26th, with some expansion on the 29th, but not a 5x so needs moving sections. Also perhaps suggest putting Norwegian in the hook? Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 13:39, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry, I hadn't seen that rule before (can you move it for me?). "Norwegian mercantile" sounds a bit overkill to me, so perhaps I'll swap "mercantile" for "Norwegian". I am also not sure where Norwegian should be piped; to Norway or Norwegian language? --Eisfbnore  16:35, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

At the Pershing: But Not for Me

• ... that jazz pianist Ahmad Jamal's first live album At the Pershing: But Not for Me, recorded in 1958, has sold over one million copies?

• Reviewed: Chalet Girl

5x expanded by Lexein (talk). Self nom at 08:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• All checks out, duly cited, and expanded sufficiently. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 08:40, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Women in Bahrain

• … that Bahrain's women (example pictured) became enfranchised after constitutional changes in 2002?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 07:15, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed the article List of common English usage misconceptions - AnakngAraw (talk) 13:12, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
• I also reviewed the article St Giles' Church, Ickenham. - AnakngAraw (talk) 13:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
• Also reviewed The Lodger (opera). - AnakngAraw (talk) 13:50, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the Royal University for Women is the first private and international university for Bahrain's women (example pictured)? - AnakngAraw (talk) 15:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 better, I think, but needs to be clarified. I don't supposes it's the first such univ. for women in the whole Arab world, is it? Possibly on the Arabian peninsula? I'm trying to find the biggest honest claim that can be phrased in.

So there are public universities for women? And there are domestic (non-international) universities there for women?

Ref 1, to justify a fairly sweeping statement, is this. Is it reliable? I'm a bit nervous about it; who's the publisher? Doesn't seem to be up-front about it. Is it for tourists? Tony (talk) 14:53, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Jewish response to The Forty Days of Musa Dagh

• ... that the novel The Forty Days of Musa Dagh about the Armenian Genocide, written by a Jewish writer, played a role in the organizing of the Jewish resistance under Nazi rule?

• Reviewed: Dandeniya Gamage Jayanthi ()

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and by Invertzoo (talk). Self nom at 06:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid I think the article could do with some work. In the section #Impact on resistance forces and victims of the Holocaust, I believe there is too much emphasis on where Musa Dagh "pops up" and little on the overall impact as suggested by a source that takes a wider view. Also, I don't think "and victims of the Holocaust" is as clear as it needs to be. There are lots of sources from ghettos, which isn't even close. We're talking "oppressed Jewish people" (in this case), but the term "holocaust" refers to acts of genocide rather than anti-Semitism in general. There may be an issue where the term refers to solely Jews, as well. I think the section needs rewriting to bring it more into line with other articles, particularly on the structure (too many direct quotations) and unclear narrative – there is no overall discussion. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 21:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. This article is not about the Holocaust, and not about ghettos, and not about an impact. This article is about a particular book The Forty Days of Musa Dagh and about how this book affected (and in some situations changed) the lives of the Jews during Second World War. IMO this is a fascinating, and in some way a finished story. Just think about this: A Jewish poet writes a novel about Armenian Genocide, and then some time after the novel was published, reading this novel helps Jews who became the victims of even worse genocide on their own.

About the structure of the article. I have used quite a few sources, but the main source is this one. The structure of the article is very close to the structure of this source. Yes, I did include lots of quotations, but this is an unusual article about a special situation. It is based on the testimonies of the people who read the book in ghettos many of whom perished there. They are talking about their feelings towards the book, and I decided it is better to let them speak for themselves. Maybe it was the last book they read. --Mbz1 (talk) 22:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

FWIW, the header wording issue raised by Grandiose has now been fixed. I agree that the number of direct quotes might be re-examined here, but I'm not sure it's a significant enough problem to reject the DYK nom. This one still seems to need an official review if anybody's interested. Cheers, Khazar (talk) 06:47, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks pretty good; length is fine, date is fine, referencing looks good, hook fact is referenced. However, some of the information in the hook seems unnecessary. How about

ALT1 ... that the novel The Forty Days of Musa Dagh played a role in the organizing of the Jewish resistance under Nazi rule?

Shorter and more succinct, I think. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:08, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Also, for further development, I agree that the number of quotes should be reduced. No problem for DYK, but it would read better if there were fewer quotes. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:11, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

• Ok to go on original hook, except it should be "the" Armenian Genoicide, and this does need mentioning (that the writer was Jewish doesn't really, imo). I think the quotes are probably necessary in this case - see the attacks above.

So ALT2: "... that the novel The Forty Days of Musa Dagh about the Armenian Genocide played a role in the organizing of the Jewish resistance under Nazi rule? Johnbod (talk) 12:10, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT2 is good, too. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:18, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Crisco 1492. I like either the original or ALT2. Best.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:17, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

You're very welcome. ALT2 seems good to go. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:33, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

About the original I added "the" to "Armenian genocide", but I left the author being Jewish because IMO it is interesting that a book written by a Jew about Armenians ended up helping the author's own people, but if you believe, it should be removed I will not insist on keeping it. Once again thank you for your review.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:38, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realize how that sounded. I prefer ALT2, but both the original and ALT2 are good to go, either by consensus or choice of whomever moves the hook to prep. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:09, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Gerhard Schönbacher

• ... that after cyclist Gerhard Schönbacher finished last in the 1979 Tour de France on purpose, the rules were changed, but he again finished last in the 1980 Tour de France?

Created by EdgeNavidad (talk). Self nom at 10:16, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length check out, but from the article it is not clear that Schönbacher finished last on purpose in 1979. The article only says that Philippe Tesnière rode slow on purpose, and that only after his drop-out Schönbacher finished last. The one statement that could be construed as Schönbacher being slow on purpose is that he stopped and kissed the road just before the finish line of the final stage - but that would be too much a stretch, since by then he already held the last position, and nothing would have changed if he had not kissed the road. Skäpperöd (talk) 13:43, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

You're right, the 'on purpose' part is my interpretation, and currently not in the article. Him kissing the road costed him less than 10 seconds, so it is not important for the result. Suggested alternative:

ALT1: ... that after cyclist Gerhard Schönbacher received much publicity for finishing last in the 1979 Tour de France, the rules were changed to avoid riders finishing last on purpose, but Schönbacher again finished last in the 1980 Tour de France?

I think something can be removed, but I'm not sure what.--EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 18:07, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I condensed the hook so it meets the <200 characters requirement without losing any information except for the "publicity" bit which I assume is inherent to the fact of finishing last:

ALT2: ... that Gerhard Schönbacher finished last in the 1979 and 1980 Tour de France, even when in between the rules were changed to avoid riders finishing last on purpose?

Is that fine with you? Skäpperöd (talk) 08:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Works for me! --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 18:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Peter Aucoin

• ... that Peter Aucoin, a professor emeritus at Dalhousie University, has served as an advisor to all three levels of the government of Canada?

Created by GorillaWarfare (talk). Self nom at 22:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• First DYK, don't need to review. – GorillaWarfare 22:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Length, hook and refs checks out. Possible alt hook: ... that Peter Aucoin's article "Administrative Reform in Public Management: Paradigms, Principles, Paradoxes and Pendulums" has been cited over 500 times? yorkshiresky (talk) 09:38, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Either hook is fine with me. – GorillaWarfare 15:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 30

Godavari Arch Bridge

• ... that Godavari Arch Bridge is about 2.7 km (1.7 mi) long and is one of the only bridges in India to support 250 km/h (160 mph) rail services?

Created by Tatiraju.rishabh (talk). Self nom at 18:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

WASP-44, WASP-44b

• ... that WASP-44b, an extrasolar planet the size of Jupiter, orbits the star WASP-44 every 2.4 days (approximately 58 hours)?

Created by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 06:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Konser Tur 2001 diff and Senyawa diff --Starstriker7 06:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Note: WASP-44 was created on 1 June 2011. --Starstriker7 06:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

List of Slovenia international footballers

A dark-haired man posing in a red football shirt

• ... that the retired association football player Zlatko Zahovič (pictured) is the most-capped Slovenia international?

• Reviewed: Dennis Marks
• Comment: Article created on May 30, expanded lead over 1,500 characters on June 2.

Created by Timbouctou (talk). Self nom at 17:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• A noun is missing at the end of the hook; also, most-capped would be unclear to a layman.

• ALT1... that the retired association football player Zlatko Zahovič (pictured) is the all-time best scorer for the Slovenia team? Materialscientist (talk) 06:32, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

• The original hook ends with a noun already. An "international" is a common term used for players who represent their countries in association football. But if you think it might confuse lay people I'm fine with dropping it. I'm OK with ALT1. Timbouctou (talk) 10:40, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Goal counts are quantitative, not qualitative: highest scorer, not best scorer. Kevin McE (talk) 12:40, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

It's usually "top scorer". Timbouctou (talk) 15:09, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

WASP-24b, WASP-24

• ... that extrasolar planet WASP-24 has a two-day orbit around WASP-24, a star that does not appear to follow the main sequence?

Created by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 04:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Note WASP-24b was created on June 1. --Starstriker7 04:45, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Dekade diff and Jurang Pemisah diff --Starstriker7 04:45, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• The hook reads too technical (nobody knows what "follows the main sequence" supposed to mean); "b" is missing somewhere and "has a two-day orbit" sounds odd to me (maybe it's just me though). Materialscientist (talk) 04:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the Jupiter-sized extrasolar planet WASP-24b orbits its star WASP-24 approximately every two days? --Starstriker7 06:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

  Better, but reads as if it hanging around and once in two days decides to run around its star. Maybe something like ALT1a: ... that the Jupiter-sized extrasolar planet WASP-24b orbits its star WASP-24 within 57 hours? Materialscientist (talk) 06:21, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

• Good idea. That one does sound better! --Starstriker7 06:26, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Puerto Banús

• ... that Puerto Banús is visited by 5 million people annually and contains a three-ton statue of a rhinoceros (pictured) by Salvador Dalí?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Tibetan Prayer (talk) at 10:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Added an img.--Nvvchar. 17:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Fil and Filippa: Story of Child Life in the Philippines.Tibetan Prayer 10:21, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• The length (5x expansion) and the date are good to go. The image also appears fine, so is the hook pertaining to the statue being made by Dali and its location in Puerto Banús. The only issue is the statue's weight, which is not cited. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks. Citation added now.--Nvvchar. 04:13, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

New cite added now covers all aspects of the hook. Good to go. FruitMonkey (talk) 08:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Stephen Fry (rugby player)

• ... that Stephen Fry captained the South Africa national rugby team against the British Lions?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at 22:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Philip Primrose

• Hook is short and punchy. Article looks good, and the references check out. Reviewed by --Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Unless the point of the hook is to get hits because readers won't believe the actor/comedian Stephen Fry could do such a thing, this is problematic. Tony (talk) 09:03, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• That is the point. FruitMonkey (talk) 11:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Looks like a typical April Fools' DYK. --Hegvald (talk) 11:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

If it seeks to mislead, it has no place in an encyclopaedia. Kevin McE (talk) 12:36, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

The DYK entries for April Fools' day are usually of this type (superficially baffling and even slightly misleading but actually perfectly correct). As far as I have seen, there is no major disagreement about that. If you want to contest this practice, WT:DYK would be the right place to do so. --Hegvald (talk) 14:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Discussion around the Main Page for a few days either side of April 1 every year is full of objections to this practice. Kevin McE (talk) 15:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

You may well be right (I hadn't noticed), but apparently a majority thinks the practice is fine, or it wouldn't persist. Either way, it is not a discussion for this page. --Hegvald (talk) 15:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

As an American, I've never heard of the comedian or the rugby player, so this hook boils down to "some guy captained the South Africa national rugby team against the British Lions?" so how about this alt hook:

• ALT1... that Stephen Fry was an engineer and aspiring jazz-pianist before he captained South Africa's rugby team against the British Lions? OCNative (talk) 07:17, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

That flies fine by me. Does that mean we need a re-review? FruitMonkey (talk) 14:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I prefer Alt2. I linked South Africa national rugby union team and Great Britain national rugby league team and dashed "jazz-pianist".

 Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:26, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Wrong British Lions, I have corrected to British and Irish Lions. FruitMonkey (talk) 15:42, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Stick with the original hook. If you're American it's not very interesting anyway. I thought Tony was in favour of hooky hooks? Johnbod (talk) 12:14, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Tagalog pocketbooks

• … that the methods used in pirating original Tagalog pocketbooks include scanning the pages of the book and changing the bookcovers, titles, and names of authors?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 21:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• See the articles I reviewed from here. - AnakngAraw (talk) 21:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I Am Playr

• ... that former England international footballer Lee Dixon is an investor in first person football video game I Am Playr?

• Reviewed: Source London

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 21:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that Nike, Alfa Romeo, Red Bull and Ginsters are all advertised in first person football video game I Am Playr? Miyagawa (talk) 21:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
• ALT2:... that Plymouth Argyle sponsor Ginsters also sponsor the shirts of fictional club River Park, in first person association football video game I Am Playr? Miyagawa (talk) 19:04, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Polish Teachers' Union

• ... that during World War II the Polish Teachers' Union was mostly active through the Secret Teaching Organization?

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 21:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed #National Youth Employment Program

• Date, length, hook OK. Foreign language online ref AGF. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:17, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Judith Trim

• ... that Judith Trim was not only the first wife of Roger Waters of Pink Floyd, who cried the first time she heard The Dark Side of the Moon, but also a successful studio potter in her own right, with work in museum collections around the world?

Created by Pigsonthewing (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Chuck Ricci

• ... that although baseball player Chuck Ricci never played for the Cleveland Indians, he appeared in the 1994 film Major League II as a member of the team and later worked for the club as a scout?

Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 21:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Dizzy Nutter. — KV5 • Talk • 21:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Baby Don't Go

• ... that the duet aspect of Sonny & Cher's first recorded hit single, "Baby Don't Go", was not originally planned but established the pair's unusual harmonic style?

5x expanded by Wasted Time R (talk). Self nom at 21:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed No. 1 Long Range Flight RAAF

• date, expansion, refs, sounds fine, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

National Youth Employment Program

• ... that National Youth Employment Program was created to address youth unemployment in Ghana which increases by 250,000 per year?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 20:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Volkswagen Westmoreland Assembly Plant ]

• Date, size and hook check out, but the hook is a bit misleading - the article is not about youth unemployment in Ghana, but about the Ghana's National Youth Employment Program, and I'd suggest that the hook reflects that. I'd also ask the author to add proper categories (organization type, year of establishment) and talk page wikiproject templates. I'll note that none of those are necessary for the article's dyking, but they'd be quite welcome. If the author's wishes for the article do be nominated without addressing those issues, please seek a different reviewer. Or, if the issues are addressed, please drop me a note on talk and I'll rereview it again. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
  • All it needs now is an alt hook. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 15:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Hook was modified, it's all good to go now.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:12, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Frédéric Alfred d'Erlanger

• ... that millionaire banker, Baron Frédéric Alfred d'Erlanger, was also a noted composer who wrote an opera based on Thomas Hardy's novel, Tess of the d'Urbervilles?

Created by HotFXMan (talk), Jenks24 (talk), Fetchcomms (talk). Nominated by Jenks24 (talk) at 20:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Mabla Mountains. Jenks24 (talk) 20:48, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• References check out, length okay. Does recreated article refer to a move from user space or was this entry previously deleted? Recommend taking out the word friend, as it is not mentioned the two were friends in the article. Froggerlaura (talk) 19:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for reviewing. I agree friend can be taken out. I saw it mentioned that they were friends when I was searching for references, but now I can't find anything to verify it. Oh well, it's not very important in any case. Recreated (I assume your talking about HotFXMan's edit summary when he created the article) refers to the fact that the article had been deleted per A7 a few hours beforehand. I assume that HotFXMan had created the article not long before the deletion (but I'm not an admin, so I don't know for sure). See User talk:Philippe (WMF)#Frederic Alfred d'Erlanger for slightly more detail. Jenks24 (talk) 14:09, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Article stable and not being reviewed for deletion. Froggerlaura (talk) 14:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Mabla Mountains

• ... that the endemic Djibouti Francolin (pictured) lives in the Mabla Mountains and the Day Forest National Park?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 19:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: The Earthstopper

• Refs, date and size all check out (also image looks fine, but that's not one of my strong points, so someone should double-check that). Jenks24 (talk) 20:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Tautological: by definition, an animal that is endemic to an area lives there. Kevin McE (talk) 23:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Incorporated Kevin McE's suggestion into ALT1: ... that the Djibouti Francolin (pictured) is endemic to the Mabla Mountains and the Day Forest National Park? --Rosiestep (talk) 00:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hotel Florida (Madrid)

• ... that Ernest Hemingway wrote The Fifth Column during the siege of the Spanish Civil War at the Hotel Florida in Madrid and on a daily basis he "expected a bomb to land on his typewriter"?

Created by Tibetan Prayer (talk). Self nom at 17:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Arvid Stålarm the Younger.Tibetan Prayer 18:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Ministry of Youth and Sports (Ghana)

• ... that one reason for establishing the National Sports College of the Ministry of Youth and Sports of Ghana was that Ghanaian sportsmen were under-performing in international competitions?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 17:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Volkswagen Westmoreland Assembly Plant ]

• The source does not exactly say that but certainly implies this statement. Length and date check out. --Pgallert (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

• Should it be under-performing, with a dash? --Pgallert (talk) 18:45, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Mitch McDeere

• ... that Mitch McDeere is a fictional character played by Tom Cruise in Sydney Pollack's 1993 film adaptation of John Grisham's The Firm (1991 novel), which was ordered as a 2011–12 NBC television series?

• Reviewed: John McClintock (MP), Drumcar House, Drumcar

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go. Jaespinoza (talk) 17:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Massively overlinked. The whole point is to get people to go to the DYK article, from which they can link to all of these other targets. It's almost all blue. Tony (talk) 09:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

(alt)... that Mitch McDeere is a fictional character played by Tom Cruise in Sydney Pollack's 1993 film adaptation of John Grisham's The Firm (1991 novel), which was ordered as a 2011–12 NBC television series?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

(alt2)... that Mitch McDeere is a fictional character played by Tom Cruise in Sydney Pollack's 1993 film adaptation of John Grisham's The Firm (1991 novel), which was ordered as a 2011–12 NBC television series? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

(alt3)... that Mitch McDeere, Tom Cruise's character in Sydney Pollack's 1993 $270 million-grossing film adaptation of John Grisham's The Firm that sold 7 million copies, will reappear in a television series? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Volkswagen Westmoreland Assembly Plant

• ... that when workers staged a 1978 wildcat strike for higher wages at Volkswagen's new Westmoreland Assembly Plant that built the Rabbit model, the picketers shouted "No Money, No Bunny"?

Created by 842U (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed:David Lucas (composer)

Hook, length, date all check out. Good to go. -- CrossTempleJay  → talk 17:11, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Units review. I've now added the required conversion from 'square feet' (somewhat concealed as 'sf'). Lightmouse (talk) 23:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Jurang Pemisah, Senyawa, Sabda Alam, Konser Tur 2001, Dekade

• ... that during his career, Chrisye released albums that sold like "chicken shit", were recorded with studio executives locked out, raised controversy for being "against Asian mores", featured an orchestra, and had to be recalled to replace the cover design?

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 14:10, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviews to follow. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:10, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviews:

1. Louis Theroux: Miami Mega Jail (diff)
2. Lake Assal (diff)
3. Social Democrats, USA (diff)
4. Erich Lackner (diff)
5. Sissy's Magical Ponycorn Adventure (diff)

Cheers! Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Newness and length check out for Jurang Pemisah. A review has been done. I'm afraid Indonesian isn't a language I know, but it looks like the hook is cited to a book, so accept it in good faith. --Starstriker7 15:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

For Sabda Alam, newness and length check out; there are a few errors that I'll copyedit out in a sec. There's no mention of the studio executives being locked out. If you can't find a source, perhaps you could find one that had him collaborating with the son of the president? --Starstriker7 15:39, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Haha, never mind...I found it. --Starstriker7 15:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I think I'll save collaborated with Sukarno's son for Puspa Indah, which was nearly all Guruh and Chrisye. Thanks for the idea though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Cool stuff. Can't wait to see it on the Main Page! --Starstriker7 00:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. It'll be a while though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:06, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

On Konser Tur 2001, newness, length check out. A review's done. The hook's equivalent in the article should be directly cited. In any case, I'll accept the ref in good faith. --Starstriker7 15:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

All set. --Starstriker7 01:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

For Dekade, hook, length, newness, and review check out. I'll accept the offline reference in good faith. This portion of the hook pops less than the others do. Can something that calls the attention more be found?

--Starstriker7 16:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

How about went double platinum on his birthday? Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

That's more like it. --Starstriker7 00:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Newness, length, and hook check out for Senyawa. A review is done. I'll accept the Indonesian ref in good faith. --Starstriker7 16:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Congrats on all of this; I'm happy to see that Chrisye is getting attention on Misplaced Pages. Although I don't understand them, I've heard many of his songs. --Starstriker7 16:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 "... that during his career, Chrisye released albums that sold like "chicken shit", were recorded with studio executives locked out, raised controversy for being "against Asian mores", went double platinum on his birthday, and had to be recalled to replace the cover design?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:06, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hook length is 275 chars with spaces, but I think C3 applies. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Rose City Transit, Blue Bus lines (Oregon)

• ... that transit service in Portland, Oregon, in the 1960s was provided solely by privately owned companies, with Rose City Transit in the city proper and the "Blue Bus" lines in the suburbs?

Created by SJ Morg (talk). Self nom at 12:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comment from article's author: These articles are written in American English. Please do not delete "service" or change "transit" to "transport", as the latter (and the version without "service") is British English, whereas these new articles are both entirely about U.S. subjects. In the copies of the hook that would be archived permanently (after their main page appearance) on the articles' own talk pages (and on other pages), it would forever look out of place to see a British English wording when the subjects are American. A piped link, ], makes the most sense to me; alternatively, piping it as ] service would be acceptable, but is redundant to American eyes, because in American English the word "public" is implied/inferred with "transit" (which has a much narrower meaning than "transportation"). In any event, the visible portion should not include "transport", which is not used as a noun (only as a verb) in American English. Eventually, someone will write a separate article about transit (a major subject!) for Misplaced Pages, but for the time being the much broader "public transport" article is the closest thing to it on the site.

I recommend showing quotation marks around "Blue Bus" (through piping), because it was most commonly written that way, as it was a nickname, not a formal name. I left the quotation marks out of the title only because Misplaced Pages's article naming conventions appear to recommend doing so in most cases, and I did include them in the bold text in the article's lead section. SJ Morg (talk) 13:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Palm City, San Diego (diff)
• Reviewed: Ben Auerbach (diff)

David Lucas (composer)

• ... that David Lucas, who produced and sang backup on Blue Öyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper" and came up with the idea for the infamous cowbell, also wrote commercial jingles such as AT&T's "Reach out and touch someone"?

Created by Elonka (talk). Self nom at 03:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: 61st FIFA Congress. --Elonka 06:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

The infamy of cowbells will mean absolutely nothing to a very large proportion of readership. Kevin McE (talk) 14:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

, date, length and hook check out. I'd agree, the cowbell reference is obscure and essentially unverifiable hyperbole, since the ref isn't transparent. Suggest trimming that from the hook. Alt1: that David Lucas, who produced and sang backup on Blue Öyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper" also wrote AT&T's "Reach out and touch someone" jingle?. 842U (talk) 15:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

No objection to the new hook. --Elonka 00:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Yellow-crowned Bishop

• ... that the Yellow-crowned Bishop (pictured) bends over stems to help conceal its nest?

5x expanded by BarkingMoon (talk · contribs) and Casliber (talk · contribs). Self nom at 02:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Jack Weisenburger, alt hook proposals welcome. Expansion of Yellow-crowned Bishop was from 535 to 3931 (7.34x exp) per DYKcheck.BarkingMoon (talk) 02:38, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Everything checks out, I actually like the hook. ;) And, by the way, beautiful picture! :) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 05:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Cirt, someone suggested another hook on a talk page: ALT1 "... that when some that when the male Yellow-crowned Bishop (pictured) is ready to mate, that their heads and backs turn a distinctive yellow in color?" Whomever moves to a prep set can choose. BarkingMoon (talk) 10:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I couldn't find the bend over info in the article (which I lightly c-ed). "Stems" is clearer from the alt text caption, but not so clear as a stand-alone. I like ALT1 too (note unintended word repetition), but perhaps: ALT2 "... that when the male Yellow-crowned Bishop (pictured) is ready to mate, his head and back turn a brilliant yellow color?" Tony (talk) 14:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I like ALT 2 also. @Tony - bent stem sentence is in the behavior section. BarkingMoon (talk) 16:24, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT2 seems best out of them all. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 15:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
• Corrected my grammar in ALT2: Tony (talk) 09:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

The bird does not bend over stems, it bends stems over. I believe we have a policy against using personal pronouns for wild animals, so it rather than he Kevin McE (talk) 12:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

That was already fixed in the article.BarkingMoon (talk) 11:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Berwick Rangers F.C. 1-0 Rangers F.C.

• ... that Berwick Rangers 1-0 defeat of Rangers in 1967 has been described as "the most astonishing result ever returned in Scottish football"?

Created by Yorkshiresky (talk). Self nom at 09:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Peter Aucoin. yorkshiresky (talk) 09:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook all OK. --GuillaumeTell 11:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Reindeer in South Georgia

• ... that reindeer were introduced to South Georgia by Norwegian whalers?

• Reviewed: HD 205739 b (])

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 01:32, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Nice to read about (semi-)Norwegian topics written by someone else than myself! :P --Eisfbnore  02:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Suggest splitting the link, so that South Georgia stands distinct. This will emphasise that it refers to the place called South Georgia, and not the southern part of a Caucasian republic, or of any sub-national entity. Kevin McE (talk) 13:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

The Meanest Genie

• ... that Maggot Pie, a children's book by Michael Lawrence, was renamed the Meanest Genie in 2009?

Created by Rcsprinter123 (talk). Self nom at 12:29, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• The article was created on 9 December 2008 and was last edited by the nominator on 4 May 2011, which was not a 5x expansion. Article also contains only one reference to a personal blog. Fails DYK and may also fail notability for inclusion on Misplaced Pages. Froggerlaura (talk) 16:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Err.. Which article? I created The Meanest Genie yesterday. Rcsprinter (talk) 17:01, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

This hook contains only the link for the author Michael Lawrence and I assumed it was for that page.

Did you want it to be:

• ... that Maggot Pie, a children's book by Michael Lawrence, was renamed The Meanest Genie in 2009?

As it stands the article will need at least one reputable third-party reference for the hook to make DYK. Also the article consists almost entirely of plot information. Is there any information on worldwide sales, critical reviews or public response to flesh out the article and make the book notable? Froggerlaura (talk) 17:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I wanted it to be that. I'll try and find some sources. Rcsprinter (talk) 18:19, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Right, I added a source to the page from Yahoo! Answers, I've read the book myself, and found some reviews on Amazon here. Rcsprinter (talk) 18:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Yahoo Answers and Amazon.com are not reliable sources. Better sources would be the book's publishing company or reviews in major newspapers or magazines (peer reviewed sources), but this book has not received much press. The author page is also supported just by a blog. But these are issues for Misplaced Pages:Notability. Froggerlaura (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

So, what should I do? Try and find some reasonable citations? Where would I start? Rcsprinter (talk) 20:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• I looked through various local newspapers in the UK and US major media and found no references to the book or author. I don't think there is enough out there to support the book having its own[REDACTED] page because most of the links are to booksellers and there are no editorial reviews. Right now DYK fails, but you can wait for a second opinion from another editor or continue searching (I cannot access many UK sources). Froggerlaura (talk) 21:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

It's a no go at this point. Froggerlaura (talk) 20:34, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

• Just for information, no input on whether this gets passed or not, I have found twoa book review of this in The Times LiteraryEducational Supplement. Details passed to nominator. SpinningSpark 20:04, 4 June 2011 (UTC) amended 08:50, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

• In light of this finding, hold for proper references.Froggerlaura (talk) 23:26, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

The current DYK hook, unfortunately, is not cited in the found ref article and I could not find anymore on the subject. Each paragraph must also contain a reference (DYK rule), which for the plot summary you can quote the book itself (just include the page number) at the end of each paragraph.

I would recommend another hook based on what can be cited. Maybe "... that TES Magazine said that the children's book Maggot Pie was "aimed at sending the disgust meter off the scale." Froggerlaura (talk) 01:00, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Hatoon al-Fassi

• ... that Saudi Arabian historian Dr Hatoon al-Fassi says that Arabian women had more freedom in the ancient Nabataean kingdom than they have today?

• ALT1:... that King Saud University assistant professor of women's history Dr Hatoon al-Fassi has not been allowed to teach since 2001?
• Reviewed: Allen Forward ()
• Comment: IMHO either hook may draw in readers and editors. Do we want the "Dr" in either case? My guess is that it sounds hooky, but probably there's a guideline somewhere...

Created by Boud (talk). Self nom at 21:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, and hook are all fine. My preference is for ALT1, the idea of a professor banned from teaching is quite interesting. I think it's fine to have Dr. Qrsdogg (talk) 00:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 31

Guide to the Lakes

• ... that William Wordsworth wrote his Guide to the Lakes because he needed money and first published it anonymously?

Created by Betsythedevine (talk). Self nom at 10:20, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Mangrove Pitta, Blue-winged Pitta betsythedevine (talk) 10:20, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Reginald Byng Stephens

• ... that Reginald Byng Stephens led the British 5th Division to Italy as part of his country's participation in the First World War's Italian campaign?

• Reviewed: Wer mich liebet, der wird mein Wort halten, BWV 59 (diff)

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self nom at 22:09, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Banteay Kdei

• ... that the Archaeological excavation carried out by the Sophia Mission of Japan at the Banteay Kdei (pictured) in Cambodia revealed relics of 274 Buddhist statues made in sandstone, in 2001?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Tibetan Prayer (talk). Self nom at 07:11, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length (>5x expansion), date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:03, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Kesh temple hymn.--Nvvchar. 14:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Peter Dawson (politician)

• ... that Peter Dawson served as Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta for 26 years, the longest in the history of the province?

5x expanded by Connormah (talk). Self nom at 00:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Ready. Nice expansion. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 18:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Franc Fernandez

• ... that Franc Fernandez, designer of Lady Gaga's meat dress and "Bad Romance" "diamond crown" costume, was mostly self-trained?

Created by Noted Seven (talk). Self nom at 14:05, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• - Looks all good. Connormah (talk) 00:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Wer mich liebet, der wird mein Wort halten, BWV 59

• ... that Bach may have performed his cantata Wer mich liebet, der wird mein Wort halten at the University of Leipzig at Pentecost 1723, before he took up his cantor position there?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 12:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: #Baby Don't Go, cantata suggested for 12 June Pentecost, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
• linked Pentecost, for those who know Whitsun, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

All checks out. I took the liberty of tweaking the links in the hook slightly. Moonraker (talk) 21:59, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you, university fine, although today's is different, but "a position" is too general for people who don't know which, tweaked again,
• Thought over night: can we go a step further in that direction and link to the precise church, which was demolished in 1968. I promise to improve that article, smile. We need the BWV # because there is another cantata with the same title BWV 74 (next year).

ALT1:... that Bach may have performed his cantata Wer mich liebet, der wird mein Wort halten, BWV 59, in Leipzig at the University Church (pictured) at Pentecost 1723, before he took up his cantor position in Leipzig? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

All checks out for Alt1 (cited from Gardiner). Would prefer to bypass "BWV 59", as it's the earlier cantata which is linked, so there is no chance of confusion. Moonraker (talk) 02:13, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Minden Cemetery

• ... that the historic Minden Cemetery (pictured) in Louisiana contains the remains of Confederate veterans who died from wounds sustained in the 1864 Battles of Mansfield and Pleasant Hill?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:57, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Earthling (Fringe)

Length ok, ref seems ok, hook cited, well-written. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:35, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Earthling (Fringe)

• ... that visual effects supervisor Jay Worth found inspiration for the "Ash Man" storyline in the Fringe episode "Earthling" from holding his grandmother-in-law's hands at her funeral?

Created by Ruby2010 comment! 02:31, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Earthquake sensitive Ruby2010 comment! 02:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Three are no note references for the second paragraph and the section "Plot." Perhaps these were mistakenly omitted. Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Television plots do not require citations (it's assumed the episode in question is the source). And which second paragraph? If you're referring to the lead, it does not require citations either (as it is just a summary of the referenced article below). Ruby2010 comment! 00:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Villa Gesell

• ... that the Argentine city of Villa Gesell was built after the afforestation of a dune field?

• Reviewed: White-winged Widowbird

5x expanded by Cambalachero (talk). Self nom at 02:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Date, length check out, Google translator assures me your hook is legit. The only remaining issue I see is that DYK requires at least one citation per paragraph, which your 2-5 paragraphs appear to lack. Can you fill these in, even if it means just repeating fn2 (which I assume those are)? Khazar (talk) 06:11, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Done Cambalachero (talk) 12:59, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Good to go. Khazar (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Earthquake sensitive

• ... that earthquake sensitives like geologist Jim Berkland claim they have the ability to predict earthquakes?

Created by Ceranthor (talk). Self nom at 23:53, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, and hook check out. Nice work, Ruby2010 comment! 02:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Machine of Death

• ... that after the science fiction anthology Machine of Death reached #1 on the Amazon.com bestseller list instead of his own book, Fox News commentator Glenn Beck denounced it as part of a liberal "culture of death"?

Created by Gamaliel (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Milton J. Durham. Gamaliel (talk) 23:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook are all fine. Good to go. Qrsdogg (talk) 01:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Bojana Radulović

• ... that Hungarian handballer Bojana Radulović has been selected IHF World Player of the Year twice, in 2000 and 2003?

5x expanded by Thehoboclown (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 21:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Impressively large expansion (from ~500 characters to ~10,000) and the hook is cited. Looks good. Jrcla2 (talk) 00:32, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Milton J. Durham

• ... that Milton J. Durham (pictured), a former official in the U.S. Treasury Department, once bloodied a Lexington Leader newswriter's face in a dispute over information that appeared in the newspaper?

5x expanded by Acdixon (talk). Self nom at 20:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Tendai Mzungu

DYK check positive. Picture is PD. Ready to go, though I would suggest this as a hook instead: ... that an elderly Milton J. Durham (pictured), former U.S. Representative and First Comptroller of the Treasury, bloodied the face of a writer for the Lexington Leader over a news report? Gamaliel (talk) 23:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem with that hook, but note that the proper title is "First Comptroller of the Treasury". (There was actually a "Second Comptroller of the Treasury" at the time.) Durham was not the first to be Comptroller of the Treasury. In fact, he was the last "First Comptroller of the Treasury". hehe. They changed the name after his term, I think. I'd also suggest linking "First Comptroller of the Treasury" to Comptroller of the Treasury, as it isn't a well-known office like U.S. Representative (even though I think that could be linked, too.) Acdixon 13:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

So that's why you included First in the wikilink in the Durham article! Thanks for clearing that up. (It's explicit in the Comptroller of the Treasury article, but I never followed the link.) I've tweaked my suggested hook above to make this clear and wikilinked it per your suggestion. Gamaliel (talk) 14:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

John Jackson Dickison

An elderly Col. John Jackson Dickison

• ... that Capt. John Jackson Dickison (pictured) led the Confederate forces which captured the USS Columbine, in the only known incident in US history where a cavalry unit sank an enemy gunboat?

Article created by Tony the Marine (talk) 19:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC). Self nom 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Institute of Chartered Accountants of Nigeria, Association of National Accountants of Nigeria

• ... that the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Nigeria asked the courts to annul the decree that chartered their rival, the Association of National Accountants of Nigeria?

• Reviewed: Ministry of Women and Children's Affairs ()
• Comment: An attempt to redress systemic bias. I was thinking of adding Akintola Williams, a famous accountant, but perhaps that would be too much. :~)

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 18:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Allen Forward

• ... that A. Forward was a forward?

New article by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at 18:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Puerto Banús.
• Very hooky - brilliant :). New (created 31 May), long enough (about 2900 or so characters of prose), funny. However, it is difficult to find where the fact in the hook is cited with an inline citation in the body of the article. The lead states that he was a "forward who favoured the position of flanker" but it is not obvious to me in which reference i should look to check the claimed fact. I cannot find anywhere in the body of the article where his role as a forward is stated at all, let alone sourced with an inline citation. This needs an inline citation, preferably in the main body (since otherwise it is not easy to justify it in the lead) so that the reader can easily check the claim. Boud (talk) 20:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC) (clarification: i meant that the hook (not the article) is funny. New and long enough are for the article.) Boud (talk) 21:17, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

  It's a picky one to split. Rugby union positions are split between backs and forwards. The backs are your lighter, faster scorers and your forwards are the more aggresive blockers and hitters. In the early days players were either backs or forwards, but as the game modernised the positions were split into their differing roles. Flankers are a subgroup of forwards. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

  • But also if we accept him as a flanker, we therefore accept him as a forward. In the same way we accept a bassist as a musician. One is a subset of the other. It does not need to be quoted. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Right, there is now a direct quote to him being a forward made by a journalist. But it is offline, hope it's good enough. FruitMonkey (talk) 07:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Flankers are less widely known than bassists, and while it is obvious that a double bass is used for making music, it is not so obvious that a flanker is "forward" as opposed to "middle", "side" or "back". i see you added one source in the body (the direct quote of a journalist's statement). In principle good faith can be used to accept an offline reference, but i've done some work on Allen Forward, rugby union positions and flanker (rugby union) and there is in fact the necessary info in the sources - all the epsnscrum refs that i checked list him as "F", and the only reasonable interpretation is that F means flanker. This just required a bit of work inlining the citations. :)
      • Possible remaining concerns:
        1. The flanker (rugby union) article is rather weak on references and has an unresolved tag. However, this is not the article proposed for DYK - the information that a flanker is considered part of the forward section has one reference, and that source - a South African sports body - seems reliable enough to me for the claim that a flanker is considered to be part of the forward section. IMHO the tag should remain, but that's not a DYK issue, in any case.
        2. Allen Forward now has a non-free photo (with a justification). As long as the photo is not proposed for DYK, this is not violating the rules, taken literally. Do we have to avoid a DYK that links to an article with a non-free image?
      • i'm a novice at reviewing DYK proposals, so i'll leave these two concerns for other people to discuss. The article is now: new, long enough and the hook fact is inline cited; and the hook is hooky. IMHO the proposal is acceptable. Other people will read this discussion and comment if they're worried about either of these two points. Boud (talk) 09:01, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

We should let the reader know the sport or context in which A Forward was a forward: ... that rugby player A. Forward was a forward? Kevin McE (talk) 13:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Disagree. The fact that the sport wasn't mentioned is partly what makes it so hooky. I've been noticing an unfortunate trend on DYK reviews where those who do the reviewing are trying to make everything so damn literal. The entire point of DYK is to make a quick sentence or phrase so catchy that it entices the reader to click the bolded link to find out more. If people know right away that "A. Forward" is a rugby player, there will be far less interest. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Jrcla2. Adding rugby just makes it less interesting. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I thought the point of an encyclopaedia was to be informative, not intriguing. Kevin McE (talk) 15:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

You're correct; the point of an encyclopaedia is to be informative. But DYK is not the encyclopaedia, it's a sign beckoning people to the encyclopaedia. By that token, being intriguing is clearly more important than being informative (although the original hook is sufficiently informative to be neither obscure nor misleading). I wholeheartedly agree with Jrcla2. Indeed, I don't think I've ever seen a better hook. Congratulations, FruitMonkey. Ericoides (talk) 15:00, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I do not see how the absence of rugby in the hook makes it unclear to the point of not being informative. Most native speakers would probably realize (after a pause) that a forward is in a sport, be it football, rugby, or whatnot. I would agree with you 100% if rugby was not in the article, but the hook has slightly different rules. We need a balance of interest and information to write a good DYK hook, and being overly precise can work against us. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Straight from Misplaced Pages:Did you know#The hook: "When you write the DYK item (or "hook") please make it "hooky", that is, short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article. An interesting hook is more likely to draw in a variety of readers. Shorter hooks are preferred to longer ones, as long as they don't misstate the article content.". The proposed hook meets all of the criteria. We don't need to be so robotic about Misplaced Pages 100% of the time (beep boop must make everything humorless and boring beep boop) Jrcla2 (talk) 15:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. Taken to its logical extremes, we'd have something like "... that Welsh rugby player Allen Forward played as a forward for Pontypool." Although it is much more informative, it is much less hooky. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

To wit, an article I created (Al Szolack) received over 9,000 hits in a 24-hour period because the hook was short, intriguing, but still factually correct: "... that Al Szolack lost all 245 professional basketball games he ever played in?" Incidentally, this article is in the DYK Hall of Fame, all because its principles were the same as A. Forward's proposed hook. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:23, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

And that hook is absolutely fine, because it tells the reader exactly what the article is about. The proposal here does not: Don't falsely assume that everyone worldwide knows what country or sport you're talking about (C2). Kevin McE (talk) 16:27, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I question whether the sport is important to understanding the hook; the position, yes... the sport, not so much. In my opinion, the mere fact that he was a forward, in any sport, makes it hooky. Adding rugby seems to throw off the rhythm of the hook. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Agree with Crisco that knowing the sport is not necessary to appreciating the hook here. Khazar (talk) 14:05, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Ministry of Women and Children's Affairs

• ... that a major achievement of the Ministry of Women and Children's Affairs of Ghana is the abolishing of child trafficking in the country?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 15:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Volkswagen Westmoreland Assembly Plant ]

• Good to go, Somehow it feels like there should be more content, but length, hook etc. all check out. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• I changed "children trafficking" to "child trafficking". With "children", it looked kinda like they were doing the trafficking. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:29, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

List of sections of Chester city walls and associated structures

• ... that Chester city walls (section pictured) form the most complete circuit of Roman and medieval defensive town walls in Britain?

• Reviewed: Polish Teachers' Union

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:24, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• The Chester City Council reference for the hook is weak, as the website does not provide any reputable sources for the statement (also I think they are kind of biased). Did the hook appear in any of the print references?

May I suggest:

• ALT 1 ... that parts of the Chester city walls (section pictured) were repaired with 3rd-century Roman altars and tombstones?

Has stronger references. Froggerlaura (talk) 18:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• I should have thought that the Chester City Council website would be considered to be a reliable source. It's not the sort of source that would be expected to provide references for its readers, and as a council website should be OK. But as cover, I've added three more refs. If the hook is still unacceptable, then go for ALT1 if that is preferred. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:07, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go with original hook. Froggerlaura (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Alexios Palaiologos (despot)

• ... that Alexios Palaiologos was heir apparent of the Byzantine Empire from 1199 to his death in 1203, and was directly involved in the suppression of no less than four revolts during this time?

• Reviewed: Church of the Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel, Church of Saint Paraskevi, Nesebar

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 14:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length and date check up and I have no doubt that the offline book sources were properly utilised. Why is 'Despot' capitalised in the article name though? It seems to contradict other examples of Byzantine noble titles when they appear in the article name like John Doukas (megas doux) and Michael Doukas (protostrator). — Toдor Boжinov — 10:28, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• "Despot" is the English form of the title, while megas doux or protostrator are transliterations of the Greek titles. AFAIK, in English, titles are usually capitalized. If you think it necessary, one can always move it to the lower-case form. Constantine ✍ 12:11, 1 June 2011 (UTC) I've moved it, the lower-case form seems to be preferred in literature for the title. Constantine ✍ 12:17, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

There is no other Alexios Palaiologos with a Misplaced Pages article: why have a disambiguator at all? And although I read that despot was a formal rank, and not just a pejorative, I would suggest that as a disambiguator (were it necessary) it is not a very helpful one: nobleman would serve equally well. Kevin McE (talk) 13:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

There were other people named Alexios Palaiologos, and all of them were "noblemen". The court rank is the usual way of distinguishing between similarly-named Byzantine people, plus a "Despot" is certainly more unique than the generic "nobleman". Constantine ✍ 14:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The other people of the same name, and the different ranks by which they are distinguished, were not putative wiki articles at the time of my note above. It has been superceded by redlinking of other names, presumably with the intention of them becoming articles. Of course, for as long as they remain redlinks, the disambiguator remains redundant. Kevin McE (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Ministry of Tourism (Ghana)

• ... that tourism is Ghana's fourth highest foreign exchange earner?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 12:44, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Vitold Belevitch ]

Long enough (barely), hook is supported, date is correct, ready to go. -- Presearch (talk) 19:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

New Waddell Dam

• … that New Waddell Dam (pictured) in Maricopa County, Arizona, submerged the Old Waddell Dam and both receives and provides water to the Central Arizona Project?

5x/nom --NortyNort (Holla) 07:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: MV Empire Dawn
• Date and expansion confirmed, facts backed by refs, image is PD, good to go. Mjroots (talk) 09:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• added "," after Arizona and wonder about "both receives"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• The dam has a dual role of supplying and providing and supplying water to the aqueduct. Does it sound confusing? I can try a re-write.--NortyNort (Holla) 22:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

That seems clear enough, but I would write: "both receive and provide", not "both receives and provides", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

The subject of the verb is the dam, which is singular, so Gerda's suggestion is ungrammatical. Perhaps ...receives water from, and provides water to, the Central Arizona Project? would be clearer. Kevin McE (talk) 15:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

English is not my first language, and grammar terms even less familiar, but to my understanding the dam is the subject of the first half sentence, but "both" (both dams, a plural) the subject of the second half. If that is not meant it should be phased differently to avoid misunderstanding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

The latter part of the hook just refers to the New Waddell Dam, not the one submerged. I see where there could be a misunderstanding and took Kevin's advice, see below.--NortyNort (Holla) 22:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Tweak … that New Waddell Dam (pictured) in Maricopa County, Arizona, submerged the Old Waddell Dam and receives water from, and provides water to, the Central Arizona Project?

• Got it, smile, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

MV Empire Dawn

• ... that the continued attack by the German auxiliary cruiser Michel on Empire Dawn after she had surrendered was held to be a war crime, for which Michel's captain was convicted?